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jmowreader

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43. Have you heard the best tax protester argument?
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 03:59 PM
Oct 2013

Apparently the people who wrote the Sixteenth Amendment didn't intend that "wages and salaries" be considered as income.

See http://www.simpleliberty.org/tait/the_camels_nose_grows.htm, if you can get through it all. Take this enlightening paragraph:

The 1913 law was intended to tax wealthy business professionals, proprietors, corporations, and certain passive unearned investments. The amount of tax owed was to be measured by net income.[1] This is obvious by examining an income tax return from 1913. The tax return of 1913 functioned similarly to the modern Schedule C. Although including a graduated “progressive” surtax, the minimum tax rate was a whopping 1 percent of individual and corporate net income in excess of the exemption amount.


Okay, let's do that: Let's examine an income tax return from 1913. Happily, the Internal Revenue Service has posted the form on their website:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/1913.pdf

Flip to page 2 and we'll find that under "Description of Income," the first line is "total amount derived from salaries, wages, or compensation for personal service of whatever kind and in whatever form paid." And the very first Internal Revenue Code specifies that wages are income.

The most irritating part of the tax protester is their reliance on the works of the Founding Fathers and their demand that the US be operated exactly as the Founders wrote, or exactly as how they think the Founders wrote. Yes, the Founders were smart men. Yes, they gave us a good system of government. But the Founding Fathers weren't oracles. They built a government for a largely agrarian, non-technological society spread across thirteen states clustered on the Atlantic coast. They didn't foresee airplanes, automobiles, electronic communications, complex financial transactions, $9 billion warships, thirteen metropolitan areas with population higher than the entire population of the United States at the moment General Cornwallis surrendered, wheat farms the size of Delaware, a sea on our western frontier, or a state in the middle of the ocean. How, then, do we keep the spirit and intent of the Founders while facing the reality that a perfect government for three and a half million people collapses when it's asked to govern a hundred times that?

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Constitution? brucefan Oct 2013 #1
Well that is till they get to that 2nd amendment nt meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #2
well yeah.. that's where they stop. Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #16
No, they go a little farther than that jmowreader Oct 2013 #17
That is rich... RiverNoord Oct 2013 #25
Yes, it can get dumber than that. Michele Bachmann. n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2013 #28
Well, the teabagger was about six foot...does that count? jmowreader Oct 2013 #30
OK then there is a theoretical logical basis RiverNoord Oct 2013 #46
Heck, they are still arguing that the ACA is unconstitutional: truebluegreen Oct 2013 #34
Have you heard the best tax protester argument? jmowreader Oct 2013 #43
Wow - that's a whopper RiverNoord Oct 2013 #49
Some moran once told me everything past the Tenth Amendment was invalid jmowreader Oct 2013 #50
Um... that's a completely legitimate point RiverNoord Oct 2013 #47
In reality, if the SCOTUS says a law is constitutional, then it is... truebluegreen Oct 2013 #48
Nah, Constitution is ONLY about owning guns to these morons. nt valerief Oct 2013 #6
Paper? freebrew Oct 2013 #12
Close? Like in tactical nukes close? hobbit709 Oct 2013 #3
Horseshoes, hand grenades, and atomic bombs. Sometimes close is all it takes. Coyotl Oct 2013 #4
Exactly, and the media has ProSense Oct 2013 #5
Violate it how? MFrohike Oct 2013 #23
Because while the President would be obeying the 14th amendment, he would be breaking stevenleser Oct 2013 #40
I'm a bit confused MFrohike Oct 2013 #44
The issue was that 2naSalit Oct 2013 #51
You're confused MFrohike Oct 2013 #52
Okay 2naSalit Oct 2013 #53
That's half my life MFrohike Oct 2013 #54
That's why I say.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #7
DITTO Iliyah Oct 2013 #8
Works for me! nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #9
As much as I'd like to see them loaded into a C-130 davidpdx Oct 2013 #33
K&R!! I'm sure most Re/Teapuke have committed several crimes for which they should've been arrested. hue Oct 2013 #10
Everyone knows the only REAL part about the Constitution is to have guns, guns joeybee12 Oct 2013 #11
Its not much different than unrelenting reliance on the "commerce clause". 1-Old-Man Oct 2013 #14
Question 90-percent Oct 2013 #13
Hey, hey! Give him credit! He autographed an American flag. xfundy Oct 2013 #31
The Shutdown is unconstitutional ashling Oct 2013 #15
There is the other possibility nobody seems to want to think about mostlyconfused Oct 2013 #18
actually... mostlyconfused Oct 2013 #19
Tired MFrohike Oct 2013 #22
"Laws are for little people." eppur_se_muova Oct 2013 #20
I think what they might want paulkienitz Oct 2013 #21
Yes. This... mostlyconfused Oct 2013 #29
there's one big problem with this scenario paulkienitz Oct 2013 #39
Good point. And it made me curious. mostlyconfused Oct 2013 #41
think daily, not monthly paulkienitz Oct 2013 #42
The Constitution. In GOP circles, it's better known as "that g/ddamn piece of paper." blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #24
Bushitler circles. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #27
So who would have standing to take them to court, and what would be the punishment of violating Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #26
Similarly, what statute would they be in violation of? truebluegreen Oct 2013 #35
Exactly.... Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #38
"Close"? After 9-11 they couldn't trash it fast enough. nt Hekate Oct 2013 #32
When they were sworn into Congress.. they took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the USA.. Cha Oct 2013 #36
Gosh, what was that constant drumbeat that this is not Sedition? Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #37
If rethugs are so concerned about the debt ThomThom Oct 2013 #45
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