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Warren DeMontague

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13. every time people claim that Obama is "open to considering" this stuff right now.. there's no source

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 06:43 AM

Oct 2013

The alternet piece links to an LA Times piece, claiming that backs up the idea of the Administration's "openness to revive 'grand bargain' talks with GOP radicals over future funding for entitlements like Social Security and Medicare"

Only problem? Well, I looked at the LA Times article it linked to, and I can't find that anywhere. Can you?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-republican-senators-shutdown-solutions-obama-20131011,0,7305655.story

Then yesterday we had a thread full of awful-sounding hyperbole about how "Obama's putting Chained CPI on the table"... Really? Did someone actually SAY that? Who?

Uh, well, uh, um..

no, I mean, what was the actual administration quote or source?

Uh, well, uh, um...

turns out it was some chowderhead at the National Review. Sure, it sounds like a good idea to him. But he's not the Administration.

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Are cuts to Social Security and Medicare on the table? [View all] xchrom Oct 2013 OP

Not on Obama's table. I think he's made that clear. Hekate Oct 2013 #1

What is not clear is what he is willing to give away, um, negotiate, after a clean bill is signed. djean111 Oct 2013 #4

That's over -- Obama is not moving any goal posts, he is not caving or spelunking, he has found... Hekate Oct 2013 #6

Yes, but what about when the gun is taken away Chemisse Oct 2013 #8

Well you already know that in that case we will just be so screwed bcs you just can't trust the guy Hekate Oct 2013 #12

Why in the WORLD would you think that RE: your last sentence?????? socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #20

Well, here's WH 'grand bargain' paper in 2011 Bob Woodward got hold of hooverville29 Oct 2013 #66

Why not? Where do you think the term "Grand Bargain" came from? hooverville29 Oct 2013 #59

Question - LiberalElite Oct 2013 #61

July 2011 Negotiations between WH & the Hill. Bob Woodward got a copy of the WH paper on it hooverville29 Oct 2013 #65

Thank you. nt LiberalElite Oct 2013 #67

Sad that this cannot be discounted as silly, isn't it. djean111 Oct 2013 #2

They damn well better not be Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #3

No thelordofhell Oct 2013 #5

Well I am on Social Security and I am not worried. Of course I don't have all the debt, 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #7

That's the attitude - work til you drop! Chemisse Oct 2013 #10

Yeah right why would someone nearing retirement age have all that debt as the OP said? 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #11

Apparently you do not live in the real world where DURHAM D Oct 2013 #17

I still would not even consider retirement if I had that kind of debt. It's ridiculous. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #23

Why do you assume they have a choice about "retiring"? DURHAM D Oct 2013 #26

It depends melody Oct 2013 #36

see my post below hfojvt Oct 2013 #60

I'm on SS too Worried senior Oct 2013 #42

I am on Social Security and fortunately, I do not have any debt. RebelOne Oct 2013 #49

maybe not this go-round. KG Oct 2013 #9

every time people claim that Obama is "open to considering" this stuff right now.. there's no source Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #13

The problem is, it's becoming apparent that something has to be on the table. DireStrike Oct 2013 #19

"The problem is, it's becoming apparent that something has to be on the table"...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #21

At least you're honest, and admit that you're arguing against something no one has actually said. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #48

Better take a look at the "Grand Bargain," as Obama called it, he says he once had with Boehner hooverville29 Oct 2013 #63

Would Obama saying it, do? Oilwellian Oct 2013 #71

I wonder how many seniors got that kind of debt from helping out there kids? Pakid Oct 2013 #14

Home Equity Loans to get their kids through college, and when they couldn't KoKo Oct 2013 #34

They are invariably on the table. It's dangerous not to acknowledge that reality cali Oct 2013 #15

If not for Nancy Pelosi he would have done this long ago. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #18

I have video clips of Nancy in full support of Chained CPI n/t Oilwellian Oct 2013 #50

Yes. Harkin video on Chained CPI. madfloridian Oct 2013 #16

If people see Superlative CPI and Chained CPI at Walmart, they'll pick Superlative CPI. jsr Oct 2013 #22

I love superlative things... n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #39

Yes, it's like "New and Improved"...................nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #43

Actually, it's newest and best! JVS Oct 2013 #45

I've got a "Grand Bargain" for them. 99Forever Oct 2013 #24

Yeah I could go for that Grand Bargain as a fallback position....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #25

Apparently, Democrats aren't allowed to... 99Forever Oct 2013 #27

Also cut "defense" spending - TBF Oct 2013 #31

Yes we do vote. 99Forever Oct 2013 #33

My parents are your generation - TBF Oct 2013 #35

Well..IF we go past the 17th...and IF they stop SS payments all together.... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #28

Better not be. Raise taxes on the wealthy and cut the pentagon 50% FIRST on point Oct 2013 #29

Here it comes!! Any second!!!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #30

So, it's a "freak out" to try and be prepared for this scenario?......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #32

I've watched this DU classic movie JoePhilly Oct 2013 #40

We wouldn't feel that way Enthusiast Oct 2013 #44

A powerless commission, and a change that the GOP actually proposed JoePhilly Oct 2013 #47

Simple fact? It's a stretch of the imagination. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #54

I'm not defending anything. There will be no cut. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #55

So what you're saying is that.... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #56

Not what I'm saying. But please continue JoePhilly Oct 2013 #57

OK, so that was not what you were saying...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #62

Clearly, I think lighting your hair JoePhilly Oct 2013 #69

Got any specifics? And BTW, I've not taken a single match to my hair........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #70

You know why I freak out? LiberalElite Oct 2013 #64

Why are the dems allowing this to become their problem? Nite Owl Oct 2013 #37

There are a number of unpopular programs begun by Bush that could be put on the chopping block. JVS Oct 2013 #46

because what are the 70-90% of us gonna do? vote 3rd party? MisterP Oct 2013 #53

I don't know how people can get: SS and Medicare are on the table from BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #38

You need the secret Obama evil plan JoePhilly Oct 2013 #41

Perhaps because it's in his 2014 Budget proposal? Oilwellian Oct 2013 #72

Take no chances. Let your rep and senators know they can't be in play. Faygo Kid Oct 2013 #51

"Take no chances". Words to live by there Faygo........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #68

Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #52

those numbers cited don't make any sense hfojvt Oct 2013 #58

I agree and like I said no one with that kind of debt can afford to retire. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #73