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Jack Rabbit

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50. It would be easier to just get rid of the debt ceiling

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 09:45 PM

Oct 2013

Having one makes it something like Jefferson's view of the electoral college: Useless when it does its job and dangerous when it does not.

Most parliamentary democracies don't have a debt ceiling. I'll bet it's because some wise statesman saw the possibility of this happening in his own country.

Since this isn't a parliamentary democracy, the President could invoke the 14th Amendment and raise the debt ceiling by executive order (which I personally don't believe he has the power to do). Certainly some teabagger from congress will seek an injuction in federal court against the President and refuse to give one, opening up court hearings on the issue while the government continues to pay its bills. By the time they rule the President's actions unconstitutional, cooler heads will have prevailed and the case will be moot. Better yet, by that time the GOP will be extinct.

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TREASON [View all] Triana Oct 2013 OP

Sedition, actually. annabanana Oct 2013 #1

These multinationals BarackTheVote Oct 2013 #5

+1 You're absolutely correct. But, either way, they are snappyturtle Oct 2013 #29

THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING STATEMENT Samantha Oct 2013 #37

They incorporated that way to outwit nation states. It's worked well for them to loot countries. freshwest Oct 2013 #46

And our military fights for them. tblue Oct 2013 #53

If the military / intelligence budget causes that support to be drawn away AikidoSoul Oct 2013 #72

Regardless, I am heartsick. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #2

I guess no more Phlem Oct 2013 #11

And much of that was done without the Tea Party's help. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #3

It's treason all right Initech Oct 2013 #4

Sure, that'll calm things down. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #6

Don't forget Grover Norquist DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #26

I contend he paved the path for Cruz. All Cruz needed snappyturtle Oct 2013 #30

Don't forget Karl Rove. RC Oct 2013 #59

Ok what if we held them for 48 hours under suspicion of Treason Heather MC Oct 2013 #7

I said something like this in another thread that I started about this subject Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #52

The problem with that is it sets a precedent. RC Oct 2013 #60

Ahhh . . . yes! And I wouldn't call those teapublicans my leadership by any means. brush Oct 2013 #62

The "our leadership" I was referring to, are our guys. RC Oct 2013 #64

Okay. I got you. brush Oct 2013 #66

We are dealing with American Teahadist Extremist Heather MC Oct 2013 #65

What do you call it when the super-rich and their minions ship jobs to foreign countries? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #8

Serfdom? Phlem Oct 2013 #21

I think a case could legally be made honeylady Oct 2013 #9

I think a case should be made against them. Triana Oct 2013 #16

While I agree with you about Boner... davekriss Oct 2013 #76

Treason doth never prosper! What's the reason? RVN VET Oct 2013 #10

The foil to that saying is, 'Unless you win.' Then the spoils are yours. freshwest Oct 2013 #47

They're winning fewer election battles. This is their stand at controlling power. ffr Oct 2013 #12

no they're not Doctor_J Oct 2013 #17

that is right... we change government by elections not guns ThomThom Oct 2013 #57

that's apparently the path of the past. grasswire Oct 2013 #77

And, I say thank Goodness we have Cha Oct 2013 #13

Actually, a very important part in winning Obama's presidency. Phlem Oct 2013 #24

Fascism, actually. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #14

That's the word that comes to mind for me too. polichick Oct 2013 #48

I agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #15

I would think it goes beyond treason or sedition... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #18

well if the shoe fits florida08 Oct 2013 #19

K&R N/T Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #20

I thought it sounded more like fascism but Phlem Oct 2013 #22

If they are CEOs of corporations w/off shore bank accounts >yes treason... hue Oct 2013 #23

Under the constitutional defenition of treason, no, however Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #25

Don't forget Rupert Murdoch DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #27

Yes. I would call it Treason. SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #28

It all started with "Government is not the solution government is the problem." R Reagan. alfredo Oct 2013 #31

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #32

US Constitution, Article III, Section 3. longship Oct 2013 #33

+1 Phlem Oct 2013 #34

SHUT UP Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #35

More like "Dereliction of Duty". Lars39 Oct 2013 #36

Nor is it sedition. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #39

"...there ought to be a law against what they are doing with the debt ceiling madness" Triana Oct 2013 #42

Oh, don't think I'm signing on to the shut up part there. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #43

Understood. In that part of my post, I was referring to response #35 . . . Triana Oct 2013 #44

Don't icarusxat Oct 2013 #67

It would be easier to just get rid of the debt ceiling Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #50

Legally, treason is only a crime during time of war. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2013 #38

The AUMF is still valid. We are at war. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #41

That's debatable. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2013 #61

When AIN'T we at war sorefeet Oct 2013 #74

Maybe sedition and treason are off the table Liberalynn Oct 2013 #40

It's not lack for trying. Phlem Oct 2013 #45

The idea of an idependent liberal think tank Liberalynn Oct 2013 #68

So much for their fidelity to the Constitution DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #49

Exactly they claim to be patriots but are anything but. Liberalynn Oct 2013 #69

They worship wealth...and Jesus of Nazareth had plenty to say about THAT! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #75

Agreed Liberalynn Oct 2013 #78

Yes ReRe Oct 2013 #51

I would call it par for the course. Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #54

The Sedition Act of 1918 Hulk Oct 2013 #55

Be careful of what you wish for. RC Oct 2013 #63

Aren't these the kind of "irregularities" that we find suspicious in other countries? Beartracks Oct 2013 #56

SPOT ON Revlon10 Oct 2013 #58

If a foreign power did this, it would be an act of war. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #70

he is right. we. ALL need to whatever we can. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #71

One man's treason is another man's patriotism. Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #73

Yes, Treason..correct word...nt Stuart G Oct 2013 #79