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Agnosticsherbet

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42. As a recipient of Veterans benefits and a not being paid because of this shutdown

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 12:57 AM

Oct 2013

I don't give a rat's ass how the GOP looks. I am more concerned about my refrigerator and my roof.

I don't think they giver a rats ass about how they look arguing in court. They actually believe the swill that passes for an ideology. They are fanatical believers in some fantasy of small government and austerity. Problem is that most of them have the money to weather a shit storm.

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This Is a coup [View all] maindawg Oct 2013 OP

It looks like they want a default for sure. Reopening the government won't happen for a long time. AlinPA Oct 2013 #1

There are forces who want to break up the USA and make off with the 50% public land and oil wealth Coyotl Oct 2013 #63

President should invoke the Fourteenth Amendment. nt. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #2

Cruz is gunning to be America's first dictator, he has proven he can control the House GOP and the Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #3

The President can not use executive power to raise the debt ceiling. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #4

Can't say that often enough. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #7

OK, so I'll say it again! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #17

Unless you want the President to emulate Yeltsin and roll tanks into Congress Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #21

Capitol Police? DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #24

That could be problematic, since ....... oldhippie Oct 2013 #25

Point taken n/t DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #26

It WOULD be emotionally-satisfying� regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #36

It would be a coup, and the United States as we know know it would end. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #37

That's silly & inaccurate. Yeltsin faced tanks to assure control when he already had a winner -- hooverville29 Oct 2013 #56

Taking tanks into Congress would have nothing to do with anything except Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #61

Since some Constitutional scholars do think the 14th amendment is sufficient... Silent3 Oct 2013 #38

The administration is on record that neither their lawyers nor the President Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #39

But we may not get "the only easy way". Silent3 Oct 2013 #40

As a recipient of Veterans benefits and a not being paid because of this shutdown Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #42

While they're looking bad in court (if it came to that), however... Silent3 Oct 2013 #49

Bush was able to get any legal opinion he wanted. grasswire Oct 2013 #54

Presuming that "the House (raising) the debt limit and pass a (CR)..." is never going to happen... Chan790 Oct 2013 #43

We will have to wait and see if the President will make that call. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #46

If it happens he has simply no choice in the matter. joshcryer Oct 2013 #51

The President can simply order bonds to be issued and debts paid. joshcryer Oct 2013 #45

You may be right about him doing that, though it would be grounds for Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #48

Yep, he would then be impeached. joshcryer Oct 2013 #50

I think they'll pay chicken until 11:59 PM on the 16th Warpy Oct 2013 #5

That's my expectation too. Laelth Oct 2013 #22

Hope you are right. n/t Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #44

The TPs want to drive us to martial law. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #6

A coup. Sedition. Treason. Extortion. Illegal and immoral no matter what it's called. Triana Oct 2013 #8

GOTV 2014 Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #11

I knew they always wanted a default and all the koch bros, wall streeters, Cha Oct 2013 #9

Obama is still in the Oval Office, all frederal agencies are under his authority Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #10

Legislative chaos but not a coup. A coup requires a change in the chief executive grantcart Oct 2013 #12

I'm so glad you're here melody Oct 2013 #31

lol thanks grantcart Oct 2013 #52

Yes and no MFrohike Oct 2013 #57

All coups differ in many respects but all have one common feature: control of the military. grantcart Oct 2013 #58

Usually, yes MFrohike Oct 2013 #59

You betcha! blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #13

Well, I think the 1 percenters who really run this Government will not allow this to happen. Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #14

And after they defund the ACA law, what's their plan? ffr Oct 2013 #15

No, Boner needs to call a vote flamingdem Oct 2013 #16

It was a coup in 2000 by SCOTUS. nt valerief Oct 2013 #18

Can someone please ask Bill Clinton what to do? hamsterjill Oct 2013 #19

That's a good idea. Wonder what his advice would be? Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #32

I bet the President and the former President are talking. hamsterjill Oct 2013 #34

The Ultra-rich stop being ultra rich if we blow up the economy Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #20

Spot on. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #23

So are you recommending default? Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #33

No I'm saying the fear is greater for them Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #35

Their mindset is that if they destroy the semi-regulated economy... joshcryer Oct 2013 #47

They want to bring on the end times too. How absurd that the U.S. is being... polichick Oct 2013 #27

For those that say this isn't Sedition, just ask yourself if Teddy Roosevelt was president right now Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #28

Personally whup each and every GOP member of the House, starting with Cruz... Adsos Letter Oct 2013 #29

This is just stupidity and yes it's time for Democrats to take the reins Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #30

If they crash the government, it seems to me we no Cleita Oct 2013 #41

OK. So? What's the counter-coup, other than agree to nothing and let chaos begin? hooverville29 Oct 2013 #53

I agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #55

2000 was a judicial coup maindawg Oct 2013 #60

Im not crazy maindawg Oct 2013 #62

China awaits. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #64