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Octafish

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250. L. Fletcher Prouty was a heroic figure...
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:03 PM
Oct 2013

...the guy believed in his oath of office.

I've read several of his books and quoted him on DU. In one work, he reported then-vice president Richard Nixon was the CIA-White House "Action Officer," ostensibly for President Eisenhower and CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Here's an early example from DU2:



An excerpt from the book "The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy"

Kennedy by L. Fletcher Prouty
Birch Lane Press, 1992 - hard cover, 1st edition

EXCERPT…

The Pentagon Papers

EXCERPT…

One of the most important narratives of this event was written by Edward G. Lansdale in his autobiography In the Midst of Wars. Few Americans, if any, knew Ngo Dinh Diem and the situation in Vietnam from 1954-68 better than Ed Lansdale. He wrote:

As the prisons filled up with political opponents, as the older nationalist parties went underground, with the body politics fractured, Communist political cadre became active throughout South Vietnam, recruiting followers for action against a government held together mainly by the Can Lao elite rather than by popular support. The reaped whirlwind finally arrived in November 1963, when the nationalist opposition erupted violently, imprisoning many of the Can Loa and killing Diem, Nhu, and others. It was heartbreaking to be an onlooker to this tragic bit of history.

It was some time before the news became known that Diem had fled to Cholon and been captured and killed there. This news was flashed around the world; this was the story that everyone heard. The public never heard of the planned flight to Europe that the Kennedy administration had arranged for him.

Thus it was that the file of routine cable traffic between Washington and Saigon eventually became known with the release and publication of the Pentagon Papers. This is how it happened that Howard Hunt was able to locate certain top-level messages to and from the White House and Ambassador Lodge in Saigon that contained information referring to "highest authority"--the cable traffic code for President Kennedy.

None of these messages contained any reference to a plot to kill President Diem and his brother or came even close to it. Concealed within these messages were carefully worded phrases that gave Ambassador Lodge the information he needed in order to direct all participants into action and to begin the careful removal of the two brothers to Europe by commercial aircraft.

According to information that came out during the Watergate hearings, those files that had been forged to smear President Kennedy were put in Hunt's White House safe, where they remained until discovered by investigators later.

SNIP…

There is much about this episode that has become important upon review. There are those who have been so violently opposed to Jack Kennedy and all that he stood for that they have stooped to all kinds of sordid activities to smear him while he was alive, to attack his brother Bobby while he was still alive, and to hound Sen. Edward Kennedy to this day. Nixon's gratuitous reference to Kennedy's "complicity in the murder of Diem" after a decade of silence on that subject speaks for itself. The efforts of Howard Hunt and Chuck Colson (both employees of the White House at the time) to dig up old files in order to besmirch the memory of President Kennedy provide another example.

CONTINUED...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles%20and%20Notes/Pentagon%20Papers.html

DU2 SOURCE: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/541



The MIC is just a front for the ownership class to make money off the big chess board. President Kennedy tried to stop that game.



The Guns of Dallas

The reason for the assassination
was to control the power of the presidency.


EXCERPT...

As we prepare now to celebrate the beginning of the third century of the founding of this country, we wonder if we live in the land of the free. We wonder if at least we still have a government of the people and by the people. Certainly, it is no longer a government for the people. The sound throughout the land is ugly: there is frustration, hate, and fear. We must act while there may still be time.

There is a grave conspiracy over the land. The people have come alive because of Vietnam and Watergate; but they have scarcely scratched the surface. A President and a Vice-President have been forced to resign. A President has been shot to death. Two Presidential candidates have been shot, one of them killed. Many of the President's men have been forced to leave, some have gone to jail; others are still under indictment.

Yes, history has been made by a series of murders, but not enough has been done to solve them. The trial of Watergate was the trial of the cover-up. There has been no trial about the real crime of Watergate. There has been no trial of the big power behind Watergate. The Hunts, Liddys, McCords, and the Cubans were not drawn into that drama solely for their own interests. They were working for someone much higher up. They were all pawns, just like Nixon was. This is a game for the biggest stake of all—absolute control of the government of the United States of America; and, with control of this government, control of the world. And yet the real crime underlying all of this has not even been identified, stated, and charged. The real criminals still walk the streets, run their corporations, control their banks, and pull strings throughout their political and financial machines.


This control mechanism did not start in 1972 with Watergate. It began, in a tentative way, in the Korean War era, when the military and the executive branch found out how easy it was to fool the Congress and the American public. And with that recognition, power-hungry and money-mad industrialists began to usurp more and more power. And when those rifles crackled over Dealey Plaza, in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963 and John F. Kennedy's brain was splattered across the road, they had made their move into the big time. They took over control of the President and of the Presidency. The man they had killed was no longer a problem and they had made certain that his successor, Lyndon Johnson, heard and remembered the sound of those guns. It is the sound of those guns in Dallas, and their ever-present threat, which is the real mechanism of control over the American government.

It is possible now to reconstruct the scenario of that day, and, with new information, to show why the murder of JFK may properly be called the "Crime of the Century." If we the people of the United States do not demand its resolution this year, it will stand in the way of a free election in 1976. It will doom a third century of democratic government in this country.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html



Ratical's good. Here's a good online resource -- I believe run by Len Osanic -- for Fletcher Prouty, including interviews...

http://www.prouty.org/

Thank you for sharing, rwsanders. That's how democracy operates.
George H W Bush did it. Hell yes it's still relevant NightWatcher Oct 2013 #1
Russ Baker and David Talbot may shed light on that... Octafish Oct 2013 #7
Yes, this is exactly why it's still important. appal_jack Oct 2013 #60
+infinity. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #61
I went to one in Dallas. texanwitch Oct 2013 #2
Debra Conway hosts the JFK Lancer conference... Octafish Oct 2013 #53
Yes, it still matters. PDJane Oct 2013 #3
JFK stood up to the War Party at least four times... Octafish Oct 2013 #55
Do you have a paypal account? grasswire Oct 2013 #4
Thank you, my Friend. No... Octafish Oct 2013 #48
Of course it matters. Scuba Oct 2013 #5
It would explain a lot. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #113
Five years ago, DU2 had a pair of mammoth threads that I can longer access... Octafish Oct 2013 #169
Kick/Rec. Yes, it matters because of the word you used - truth. It's in ever increasingly short NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #6
Truth is what Democracy craves. Octafish Oct 2013 #171
No...thank YOU for what you are doing - and always do for us here...and for teaching me a new word! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #191
I think it still matters notadmblnd Oct 2013 #8
Thanks, notadmblnd! People wonder why the USA tortures children, invades innocent countries... Octafish Oct 2013 #199
JFK SamKnause Oct 2013 #9
Thanks, SamKnause! We stand against certain smear artistes... Octafish Oct 2013 #200
Unless some secret trove of papers emerges pscot Oct 2013 #10
I imagine that to be the case for the under-educated who believe history is not relevant. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #139
I believe I've just been insulted pscot Oct 2013 #140
Have you? Keep the faith! LanternWaste Oct 2013 #167
Thanks for your POV, pscot. There are many CIA papers that bear direct relevance... Octafish Oct 2013 #202
I don't think it does oswaldactedalone Oct 2013 #11
That's an odd thing to say, considering your DU name. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #104
Used to think that was a clever ironic wink dougolat Oct 2013 #208
Very glad to hear you are able to go! hootinholler Oct 2013 #12
''It is the seminal event in the 20th Century that kept fascism viable.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #218
JFK's Assassination was/is a watershed moment in our nation's history, it is of great importance. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13
Thanks, Uncle Joe! Octafish Oct 2013 #223
Best of luck to you leftstreet Oct 2013 #14
Thanks, leftstreet! What Jefferson Morley said... Octafish Oct 2013 #230
Yes, it matters. But looking ahead Mother Nature is going to kick human ass. IT WILL BE UGLY. hunter Oct 2013 #15
Here's a mini documentary about the methane gas issue by Thom Hartmann. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #149
When it comes to the disease, we must strike at the root -- the radical approach. Octafish Oct 2013 #231
I would love to go to that gopiscrap Oct 2013 #16
The Kennedy Assassination: The Nixon-Bush Connection Octafish Oct 2013 #232
Thank you I have heard this before gopiscrap Oct 2013 #245
It matters because it was a point when history changed. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #17
Well said MFrohike Oct 2013 #23
Plenty of evidence, but, it's been swept under the rug. juajen Oct 2013 #52
William Manchester proven wrong. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #62
Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #71
Good posts rebutting the willing ignorance of the JFK CTists, but you may as well be shouting stopbush Oct 2013 #146
Video evidence shot at Love Field on Nov. 22, 1963 supports conspiracy. Octafish Oct 2013 #233
No, it doesn't Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #236
Recent tests: Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets' Octafish Oct 2013 #237
The time between the two shots that hit was 5.6 seconds. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #239
I think it's critically important. stranger81 Oct 2013 #18
Yes, and it took years to realize that. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #28
You feel life was better in 1963 than it is now? As a woman I don't think so. virgogal Oct 2013 #29
I'm a woman and I know so, having lived during that time. juajen Oct 2013 #50
For whom? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #80
For many, and, on certain levels, I'd go as far as to say "most" if not all. As for the economy, whathehell Oct 2013 #91
No, because I'm not that old Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #94
Of course not. You're still young & immature enough to think calling us "old" is a debate strategy whathehell Oct 2013 #116
I'm pretty sure it didn't Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #125
I'm pretty sure that, being in possession of all the academic information you have, in addition whathehell Oct 2013 #163
check post 203 snooper2 Oct 2013 #204
You check it. whathehell Oct 2013 #216
If by "everyone" doing well you mean white men, sure it was a golden age. Bradical79 Oct 2013 #181
Sorry, Brad, unlike yourself, I'm not a man of any color -- I'm a female, like Juajen, who also whathehell Oct 2013 #227
Thank you -- same here. n/t whathehell Oct 2013 #90
You are right in a weird kind of way---- snooper2 Oct 2013 #203
What I meant by that is, it seems to be the moment when the other side decided to just start killing stranger81 Oct 2013 #51
Exactly. All the same political actors benefited from each "lone nut" assassination. villager Oct 2013 #88
It can not be explained as a simple coincidence.......nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #114
Superficially, no it wasn't. but there is a fundamental yes underlying that time. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #197
JFK and the Impossible Octafish Oct 2013 #238
If Oswald shot Kennedy, he took the worst possible shot he could. cliffordu Oct 2013 #19
Exactly. I doubt the deniers have ever fired a shot, much less from elevation Link Speed Oct 2013 #22
I was one of the best shots I was aware of back in the day. cliffordu Oct 2013 #83
2 shots out of 3 on a target ranging from less than 60 to less than 100 yards away? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #105
Assuming you are right, why is this important? DireStrike Oct 2013 #234
You're wrong. Oswald attained the level of Sharpshooter in the USMC. stopbush Oct 2013 #147
He took the shot that he had. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #102
Pfthh go look at the link I'm my old post cliffordu Oct 2013 #103
Problems resolving the link Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #106
Are you saying that to everyone in this thread? cliffordu Oct 2013 #134
NAZI Echo in Dealey Plaza Octafish Oct 2013 #243
Anyone who dismisses this is either a fool or a tool Link Speed Oct 2013 #20
Gerald Ford: Skeptics on Warren Commission posed ''No problem.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #244
Of course he matters! His assasination started this cabal moving alittlelark Oct 2013 #21
^^This^^ dflprincess Oct 2013 #27
Justice demands one ex-Secret Service Agent and one ex-FBI Agent testify before Congress... Octafish Oct 2013 #252
Gotta say - you are my favorite DU poster.... alittlelark Oct 2013 #255
It still matters, definitely ailsagirl Oct 2013 #24
Today, ''Money trumps peace,'' as George W Bush said Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Oct 2013 #254
Interestingly enough I'm currently reading a book by L. Fletcher Prouty about the subject... rwsanders Oct 2013 #25
L. Fletcher Prouty was a heroic figure... Octafish Oct 2013 #250
Thanks Octafish, that's the book I'm reading. So far it is very sad as it kind of picks up where... rwsanders Oct 2013 #251
Absolutely! Will You Be Attending Any Others? N/A LarryNM Oct 2013 #26
No, but I think people I hope to meet in Pittsburgh will. Octafish Oct 2013 #256
K&R catnhatnh Oct 2013 #30
Act I sets the stage, heh heh heh, for all that follows. Octafish Oct 2013 #257
Hell Yes! Phlem Oct 2013 #31
Of course it matters. I'm glad you're going. Please share with us. NBachers Oct 2013 #32
It's as relevant as if it happened yesterday. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #33
Yes, it matters. As much as ever, maybe even more. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #34
His legacy still matters munster69 Oct 2013 #35
assassination of President Kennedy still matters lunasun Oct 2013 #36
Definitely... I read your posts here and can't wait to read your Report! KoKo Oct 2013 #37
Yes it matters...matters a lot...the truth is still not in the public domain emsimon33 Oct 2013 #38
Bill Kelly at Wecht Conference billkelly Oct 2013 #39
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #40
You are most welcome, Sir! Octafish Oct 2013 #193
Dismissing conspiracy theories about the assassination is not making light of the event. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #41
I am afraid it is. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #65
No, absolutely not. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #75
Really? avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #84
And so the dance begins. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #100
You could always skip threads that don't interest you?? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #132
Thank you for your concern. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #155
I'm not at all concerned, just trying to be helpful! sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #190
Me, too! Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #192
Who said it was a trump card? It certainly was an acknowledgement sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #198
That's exactly how it's used in these discussions. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #207
Well you haven''t done much 'countering'. You've made up a lot of stuff sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #221
But GD is not the place for countering. Or positing in the first place. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #226
"No we won't be discussing this in GD"...Really? It seems that we are. whathehell Oct 2013 #165
And you do so in violation of the SOP for GD and the Terms of Service for DU. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #166
Then it seems a lot of others are violating as well.. whathehell Oct 2013 #173
Argument ad populum. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #189
Yup.. whathehell Oct 2013 #215
The HSCA also found that Oswald killed Kennedy nyquil_man Oct 2013 #86
Correct. ALSO is the operative word. It was bigger than Oswald there was a likely conspiracy avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #93
So you think there's a chance these hidden documents would prove nyquil_man Oct 2013 #96
Yes, I do. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #98
If they were so 'snookered' in their investigation nyquil_man Oct 2013 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #97
It's never too late to give up on accountability. pa28 Oct 2013 #42
as vitally important as justice. both are dead reddread Oct 2013 #43
Duquesne University... where have I heard that name recently? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #44
It will matter, always to me. juajen Oct 2013 #45
It was fifty years ago. It's a very cold case. The original investigation may indeed struggle4progress Oct 2013 #46
It still matters to me. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #47
I don't think it matters at all. Dead is dead. kwassa Oct 2013 #49
How very wrong you are. juajen Oct 2013 #54
what you said ailsagirl Oct 2013 #63
I'm not a 'boomer' whatever that is, and it very much interests me. It is part of the history of sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #87
This subject doesn't interest a majority of people. kwassa Oct 2013 #177
I can see you have a great appreciation of history -- not. whathehell Oct 2013 #157
Jesus Christ is dead, too. KamaAina Oct 2013 #176
It created a sense that nothing was sacred and nobody was safe starroute Oct 2013 #56
It matters greatly. OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #57
No, it does not matter. The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #58
Yes - it still matters KT2000 Oct 2013 #59
It matters Roy Rolling Oct 2013 #64
Yes it does still matter & always will in my opinion N/T Michigan-Arizona Oct 2013 #66
It definitely matters. proReality Oct 2013 #67
Good answer. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #115
OMG 50 years... seems like just yesterday. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #68
Yes, it does! libodem Oct 2013 #69
It most certainly is still relevant. You see how our country STILL won't speak to Cuba? loudsue Oct 2013 #70
I believe that open-minded persons never close the door. We know we are fed propaganda rhett o rick Oct 2013 #72
Yes. It matters Half-Century Man Oct 2013 #73
k&r Octafish - "The Past is Prologue" is engraved on the National Archives bananas Oct 2013 #74
considering how long it takes to get things declassified I would say it does still matter. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #76
K & R AzDar Oct 2013 #77
big honking kick big honking rec nashville_brook Oct 2013 #78
i think it matters. never believed the warren DesertFlower Oct 2013 #79
We are on the threshold of a grand and open conspiracy to destroy Constitutional government. gordianot Oct 2013 #81
I love James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable" nashville_brook Oct 2013 #82
That book is on my reading list. I have heard many good things about it. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #262
This message was self-deleted by its author avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #263
thank you -- i'll check this out! nashville_brook Oct 2013 #265
Great news my friend Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #85
Does the assassination of President Kennedy still matter?...Absolutely. whathehell Oct 2013 #89
Yes, it matters oldtime dfl_er Oct 2013 #92
Yes, for all of the reasons DUer who think so have written here. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #95
As we have discussed over the years here PCIntern Oct 2013 #101
Truth has no use-by date. More power to you BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #107
only as far as public Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #108
the day this country went to the darkside. Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #109
Matters, indeed. I went to a Robt. J. Gordon lecture last month... dougolat Oct 2013 #110
It matters like Lincoln's assassination matters aikoaiko Oct 2013 #111
Your last sentence is pretty ugly Oilwellian Oct 2013 #121
You misunderstood me. I meant conspirator in the sense of someone... aikoaiko Oct 2013 #124
Sorry, I did misread what you said Oilwellian Oct 2013 #156
Your youngest son conspired to kill JFK? jberryhill Oct 2013 #126
I think Lincoln's assassination IMO matters a great deal more than Kennedy's Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #185
This is probably true. DireStrike Oct 2013 #235
The thing is we don't know that Lincoln would've done substantially better Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #248
Wow! K&R! This is pretty well incredible, Octafish. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #112
Soak it all in and enjoy, Octafish! nt Mnemosyne Oct 2013 #117
The JFK assassination no longer matters Progressive dog Oct 2013 #118
Michael Parenti: The JFK Assassination and the Gangster Nature of the State Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #119
Would it change anything if Oswald had been a right wing nutcase? seveneyes Oct 2013 #120
Hell yes it matters! Trailrider1951 Oct 2013 #122
yes it still matters because the truth always matters KurtNYC Oct 2013 #123
Good. I am, like others, looking forward to your future posts. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #127
The "assassinations" are continuing... CanSocDem Oct 2013 #128
i once thought the truth always mattered. in america now, not so sure. spanone Oct 2013 #129
JFK assassination conspiracy theories don't matter cpwm17 Oct 2013 #130
Suppose that ironclad evidence was uncovered... MicaelS Oct 2013 #131
What if Law Enforcement solves a 30 year old murder? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #138
Yes, I want the truth. SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #133
A new tape came out of RFK's murder: there were over 10 shots Taverner Oct 2013 #135
History matters. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #136
Let me save you some money. zappaman Oct 2013 #137
It matters bearfan454 Oct 2013 #141
The presence of a secret organization felix_numinous Oct 2013 #142
Alfred W. McCoy -- The Making of the US Surveillance State Octafish Oct 2013 #187
Wow...that's great. K&R deutsey Oct 2013 #143
I totally agree with you rusty fender Oct 2013 #144
Hell yeah JFK still matters! Initech Oct 2013 #145
Yea, he slept around Boomerproud Oct 2013 #151
That's why it's called ''Passing the Torch.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #188
down she goes frog64 Oct 2013 #148
Of course it matters! tweeternik Oct 2013 #150
It matters, a lot! dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #152
You know I concur (and why) brother. K&R. n/t bobthedrummer Oct 2013 #153
Hell Yes it still matters, ... CRH Oct 2013 #154
Still matters to me. Lifelong Protester Oct 2013 #158
I think it matters depending on how you view the assassination.... cynatnite Oct 2013 #159
Hoping for a great conference, looking forward to your comments on it. Rec. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #160
Yes Sir! Eddie Haskell Oct 2013 #161
So glad you are going G_j Oct 2013 #162
It still matters.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #164
Even the freakin Soviets knew the score ...one day after.... RagAss Oct 2013 #168
reading this thread, it seems the votes are in navarth Oct 2013 #170
It matters. Mc Mike Oct 2013 #172
It will always matter to me. I became a Democrat because of JFK. pacalo Oct 2013 #174
Yup. Still matters. KamaAina Oct 2013 #175
Cyril Wecht is a hero of mine........ mrmpa Oct 2013 #178
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2013 #179
Oh, absolutely! WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2013 #180
I think it's interesting stuff, but... Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #182
Good rational point of view IkeRepublican Oct 2013 #183
I think some of JFKs wish list like civil rights, programs for the poor arely staircase Oct 2013 #242
Yes, it matters... KansDem Oct 2013 #184
It matters as much as our Constitution due in part to its first establishment. Festivito Oct 2013 #186
no important, BUT extremely important! fascisthunter Oct 2013 #194
Yes, it still matters. I was seventeen when it happened, Raksha Oct 2013 #195
Yeah, it matters! JackRiddler Oct 2013 #196
I just learned something tonight KamaAina Oct 2013 #201
The assassination was a major event cpwm17 Oct 2013 #214
Zapruder was taking a home movie dflprincess Oct 2013 #253
It's certainly worthy of exposure. xfundy Oct 2013 #205
Only in the thread title. Octafish Oct 2013 #206
kick lonestarnot Oct 2013 #213
kick again. nt. Mc Mike Oct 2013 #219
Worthy. K&R whatchamacallit Oct 2013 #209
Truth always matters William Seger Oct 2013 #210
Yes, it matters - it has always mattered. scarletwoman Oct 2013 #211
It matters. 7wo7rees Oct 2013 #212
5 creepiest things about the Koch brothers engineered shutdown MinM Oct 2013 #217
Interesting. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #220
Sugar Daddy of John Birch Society MinM Oct 2013 #259
When are you going to admit that BootinUp Oct 2013 #222
when G_j Oct 2013 #224
Show where I post BS, otherwise don't smear me. Octafish Oct 2013 #225
... doublethink Oct 2013 #228
JFK threw himself upon the broken barricade between democracy and the fascist national security stat hedda_foil Oct 2013 #229
I believe Oswald did it and acted alone. arely staircase Oct 2013 #240
believe it or not reddread Oct 2013 #249
I have traveled to almost every continent and one thing I have seen almost everywhere DonRedwood Oct 2013 #241
James Swanson on booktv today10/12 -tomorrow10/13 Agony Oct 2013 #246
I now realize that Daniel Brandt's Name Base is back online-it's wonderfully easy to use-KICK bobthedrummer Oct 2013 #247
Keeping the light on....(eom) CanSocDem Oct 2013 #258
I am excited for you Octafish. I know you are going to enjoy this symposium. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #260
yes G_j Oct 2013 #261
Good news. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #264
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