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61. Hillary is hardly center right. If you want to beat her fine but don't make stuff up

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:33 PM

Oct 2013

From Daily Kos

"I've always thought that if you want to see where a candidate will take us, look at where they've been. To that end I’ve tried to provide links to Hillary's voting record in any diary I post about her – which by the way is one of the MOST PROGRESSIVE RECORDS IN THE SENATE. But I suspect that many don’t follow the links. They’d rather wallow in their ignorance rather than look at the facts – it allows them to continue under the misperception that Hillary is the devils spawn or something.

So rather than post yet ANOTHER link to her record I’m gonna lay it out in all its progressive glory - make the jump with me if you wanna be an informed citizen of this community...

Contrary to popular belief, she vote against CAFTA – twice. She did NOT support the bankruptcy bill but in fact spoke out against it. (She only missed that vote because Bill was having heart surgery at the time). That's setting straight just a couple of the many misperceptions regarding her record, which is nearly identical to Obama's (just 2 votes separate the two) and it's more progressive than Edwards was. If spoon-feeding her record to folks is what it’s gonna take then here ya go..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/08/06/367618/-Why-Let-the-Facts-Get-In-Your-Way

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To DEFEAT The Tea Party, The LEFT Needs BOLDER LEADER Than Hillary [View all] Segami Oct 2013 OP

We need to clean out the House of Representatives and State Houses. gordianot Oct 2013 #1

So what's 'Plan B'? randome Oct 2013 #2

We have a somewhat weak bench... Agschmid Oct 2013 #40

I hear you. But Obama was a regional player, too. randome Oct 2013 #46

Amen. Agschmid Oct 2013 #54

She's not my ideal candidate, but she would destroy any Teabagger they threw against her, geek tragedy Oct 2013 #3

Thank You! MFM008 Oct 2013 #30

She will make them all look mean and stupid. Orsino Oct 2013 #39

I'd like for people to start naming their ideal choices... Agschmid Oct 2013 #41

You could just say "electability" right now, and save us the trouble. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #97

That is absolutely not what I said. Agschmid Oct 2013 #108

LOL. From Sean McElwee, a Reason Foundation alumnus. pinto Oct 2013 #4

ah the libertarians, thanks grantcart Oct 2013 #11

lol I see David Koch of Koch Industries is on the board along with other insane folks. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #17

Valid question... Agschmid Oct 2013 #42

One must wonder....but not for very long... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #82

I see, a Libertarian. Beacool Oct 2013 #60

Hillary has never been a leader for the Left Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #5

Well said... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #13

very well said DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #34

if i count right -- i am +3 on your comments. agreed. nt xchrom Oct 2013 #37

But who on the left can we develop to stand up to these Tea-partiers TheDebbieDee Oct 2013 #55

I agree with you; I just don't know who that would be. alarimer Oct 2013 #69

To get a true progressive agenda, probably true. But to defeat the Tea Party, No. Tom Rinaldo Oct 2013 #6

I think Hillary would govern center-center based on the momentum the left has now. busterbrown Oct 2013 #7

Your concern is noted. Pisces Oct 2013 #8

I had to scroll quite far down to find it! Agschmid Oct 2013 #44

Don't Know What You Are Thinking Stallion Oct 2013 #9

the democrats' "middle"has moved so farright it is barely recognizeable sometimes nt msongs Oct 2013 #12

clearly mistaken beachbum bob Oct 2013 #10

"garner" ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #14

don't cast asparagus at new posters, k thx dionysus Oct 2013 #47

It was a rather unseemly jester on my part... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #48

Yes, it is definitely time to move away from the �New Democrat�/Third Way-style of governing. Zorra Oct 2013 #15

The Left doesn't need a leader...it needs a constituency alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #16

Someone who SPEAKS in CAPS at ALL TIMES. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #18

Nothing to say... Segami Oct 2013 #23

If there is a stronger Democratic candidate Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #19

How is a Liberal 3rd party worse than a conservative 3rd way? RC Oct 2013 #77

"Good Morning President Ryan...Vice President Cruz....coffee?" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #83

So we are to continue following the Right-wing ever farther to the Right, till we go over the cliff? RC Oct 2013 #84

It wouldn't be worse Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #87

We just keep following the ever Right ward march of the Democrats till we all go over the cliff too? RC Oct 2013 #90

I agree Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #94

a question from Senator Edwards AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #20

I think she's too enamored of the Washington cocktail party scene to be effective tularetom Oct 2013 #21

Yes, she's had loads of time to swan around in the Washington cocktail scene tavernier Oct 2013 #45

The Washington cocktail scene? Beacool Oct 2013 #49

As I recall Sally Quinn totally trashed her for NOT being part of the cocktail crowd. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #96

Yes, I remember. Beacool Oct 2013 #98

Tea Party favorability is at 21%: any Democrat can "beat" that frazzled Oct 2013 #22

K & R, exactly, the Tea Party needs to go, the GOP leadership is too weak to help Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #26

How about letting primary voters decide? wyldwolf Oct 2013 #24

I've already seen an "It's time for Hillary" bumper sticker down here Rstrstx Oct 2013 #25

Who? Who is this leader? That's where the rubber hits the road. JHB Oct 2013 #27

The Ahmadinejad Postulate Turbineguy Oct 2013 #28

Well yeah... like maybe someone who is actually on the left!?!?! cui bono Oct 2013 #29

Hillary is hardly center right. If you want to beat her fine but don't make stuff up coldmountain Oct 2013 #61

Excellent recording of true facts. Thank you for this. I'm tired of hearing.... northoftheborder Oct 2013 #63

While all that may be true, it doesn't put her on the left or make her a liberal. cui bono Oct 2013 #67

She is hardly a liberal or on the left. cui bono Oct 2013 #65

Liberal activists warm to Hillary Clinton for president coldmountain Oct 2013 #70

That says nothing about her actually being on the left. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #71

�The fact that she makes 2016 uninteresting makes that attractive,� said Markos Moulitsas coldmountain Oct 2013 #72

Most of the country doesn't know what a real liberal or lefty is any more. cui bono Oct 2013 #73

That says keeping another Bush/Cheney or even worse out of the White House coldmountain Oct 2013 #75

That's an entirely different issue than whether or not Hillary is a liberal or left. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #85

Liberal is in the eye of the beholder. Just electing a Democratic woman is liberal at this point coldmountain Oct 2013 #95

No it is not! Liberal actually means something. cui bono Oct 2013 #100

Hillary's Wellesley speeches are liberal coldmountain Oct 2013 #101

Did you read the Common Dreams article at all? cui bono Oct 2013 #103

I don't doubt her boldness in defeating the Tea Party - Can we get beyond just defeating the crazies Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #31

I will side with whomever OFA gets behind. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #32

Me, too. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #51

The Tea Party has already defeated itself, plus half their old white guys will be dead by 2016. Coyotl Oct 2013 #33

That woman is NOT left or even close to being. 99Forever Oct 2013 #35

This article seems to confuse "bold" with "farther left" Recursion Oct 2013 #36

We need bolder and more benevolent leadership to survive the coming decades. Orsino Oct 2013 #38

At this point, defeating the Tea Party may require little more than a candidate with a pulse. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #43

Sure, Hillary will just rollover for the Tea Party. Beacool Oct 2013 #50

I agree. If ever there was a woman who could stand her own against any politician, it's Hillary. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #53

Goodness knows that she's taken enough abuse from the Right and the Left too. Beacool Oct 2013 #57

No doubt about it. And the thing is, the Right is afraid of her, that's why they're trying BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #74

Me too. Beacool Oct 2013 #79

Hillary is tough as nails and she will WIN 2016 underthematrix Oct 2013 #105

Who you got? Iggo Oct 2013 #52

Same candidate that ran in the 2012 primary against Obama. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #91

After Kerry lost, I tuned out politics for 3 years. LittleBlue Oct 2013 #56

president obama is doing just fine nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #58

I don't know about that. Hillary has her some brass ovaries. Lil Missy Oct 2013 #59

Please O Please! Phlem Oct 2013 #62

Hillary is not a person of the left. She does not represent the left. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #64

Like Dr. Dean!! knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #66

I could get behind that candidacy. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2013 #80

The Teapers have quite effectively worn out their own brand IDemo Oct 2013 #68

Hillary would never have wasted time trying to appease these teabagging bastards Skittles Oct 2013 #76

Well... MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #81

Clinton fabulists Skittles Oct 2013 #86

Snarky article. Beacool Oct 2013 #99

If she is our candidate, I'll happily endorse her. Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #78

she has been dealing with these fucks since 1992 scheming daemons Oct 2013 #88

Hillary is not a leader of "the left." LWolf Oct 2013 #89

That's the truth. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #92

Hillary is a fighter and stands behind many progressive issues. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #93

Sometimes people know every R is a POS, that's why Phlem Oct 2013 #106

I agree that the party needs to try leaning to the left. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #109

Bill Clinton, Obama, and I would expect Hillary are 3rd way Democrats. Phlem Oct 2013 #110

Agree with everything in your post. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #111

DU tried to run Kurovski/WetzellBill in '08 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #102

I'd really like to see Bernie Sanders run. A lot...n/t ms liberty Oct 2013 #104

After getting stuck with Koch puppet Wanker and Teabagger Duffy, I'll vote for any democrat charmay Oct 2013 #107

PS.. Phlem Oct 2013 #112