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177. If America defaults, Socialism/Communism wins.

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:58 PM

Oct 2013

Righties need to understand how an American default will look to the rest of the globe. Most righties view nearly all of European countries as Socialist and obviously China as Communist. If Capitalist America defaults while China is robustly growing and flush with cash, and a pocket full of IOU's with our name on them, and Socialist Europe stands steady while being able to give their citizens free college education, comfortable retirements, full coverage healthcare, maternity and paternity leave and several weeks of paid vacation every year, then the debate will be over. And the winner will not be American style capitalism. The Tea Party Republicans are holding the cards. Their decision will show the world which economic system is the winner.

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So how does this end well? I mean, really? [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 OP

I would love for Oregon, Washington and California to form a new nation quinnox Oct 2013 #1

Can we New Englanders join too? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #5

Sure, why not quinnox Oct 2013 #6

Awesome! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #17

You know, when you look at it... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #136

I and a few of my displaced liberal friends from Texas would like to come to! rury Oct 2013 #182

Your baseball wasn't looking so very good tonight! ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #22

We saw 'em play the Tigers at Fenway a few weeks ago MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #24

It's going to be a good series. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #25

Sure, it would be the United States of Canada! nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #144

Sorry, but y'all got way more than your fare share of kooks...which would only become ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #20

I'd say election results indicate the West Coast has either fewer or more Democratic 'kooks' Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #81

Nope. No thanks. Not a place I like to visit. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #106

I've lived in five states during my adult life... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #139

Ithaca, NY. pangaia Oct 2013 #146

Ithaca is Utopia? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #149

Yup YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #160

actually make that Western Washington gopiscrap Oct 2013 #47

Along with BC, it's been called Cascadia. JBoy Oct 2013 #54

Yup I've heard that before gopiscrap Oct 2013 #55

Oh, no. There are scattered alternative communities and individuals in N. Central and Zorra Oct 2013 #120

where did you grow up gopiscrap Oct 2013 #121

Somewhere between the Cascades and the Idaho border. Zorra Oct 2013 #122

Yes Kalispel MT gopiscrap Oct 2013 #123

Spokane born and raised. grantcart Oct 2013 #156

I like Peaceful Valley a lot. Spokane's not a real big city, but it has twice the population Zorra Oct 2013 #166

I sang in Wilbur once in 1978 gopiscrap Oct 2013 #179

Sandpoint is great but it is cold. Seems a lot colder than when I was a kid. grantcart Oct 2013 #183

It's beautiful though, specially around the lake. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #184

No I escaped. But jump into the Pend Oreille and you will see serious shrinkage. grantcart Oct 2013 #185

no way...we're coming with you barnabas63 Oct 2013 #163

Even in northern California some areas lean toward the whacko... Adsos Letter Oct 2013 #169

Heaven. Sign me up, now, please. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #119

gen. disc. kardonb Oct 2013 #127

Even better BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #132

Too close to all the radiation! BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #131

Cascadia, bitches! liberalmuse Oct 2013 #141

The United States of Canada, Le Qu�bec, and the Jesusland Confederacy: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #142

Oh shit, JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #145

I know I am getting picky here but.. pangaia Oct 2013 #147

Some maps give southern sections like the Republic of Orange to Mexico. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #148

Absolutely, pangaia Oct 2013 #155

Totally agree. The West coast states has more in common with each other LittleBlue Oct 2013 #191

I want British Columbia to join us. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #201

Lots of stupidity - but also a healthy dose of willful ignorance. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2

"manipulated" ...that's the word I've been looking for to describe them...thanks! tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #53

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #76

i never had any common ground with people like these twirps. madrchsod Oct 2013 #3

Even our President called Ryan's budget a "serious proposal" MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #8

The DC DEMS seem to always treat the GOP as serious, good-faith actors in Governing, in the face of blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #18

Because the Republicans make the DC Dems look better by comparison Fumesucker Oct 2013 #58

Exactly. I wonder how long it will be before everyone gets it? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #117

yup...even our "Blue State" Dems are beholden to Wall St... adirondacker Oct 2013 #134

It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda leveymg Oct 2013 #67

^^^^^^^This is the correct answer^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2013 #71

We are being played, well some of us are. It's sad how easily fooled we sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #194

Yup. Did you see this thread? woo me with science Oct 2013 #197

I did see it. And yes, it is the same old game. Get enough Dems to go along sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #198

It is the "Villain Rotation" Scam bvar22 Oct 2013 #200

You know, I've had this in the back of my mind as a possibilty Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #78

I "voiced" this at length when the Austerity by Default selective shutdown started, here: leveymg Oct 2013 #94

I was on the road for 6 hours the day you posted that and Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #96

The Deal comes next, now that we've been worn out by the only seeming alternative: another "crisis" leveymg Oct 2013 #99

Thanks for re-posting the link. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #100

Yeah, I posted what turned out to be a pretty long and many recced thread....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #165

Plus 10 Brazillions! Myrina Oct 2013 #110

.."austerity by default"... MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #186

They are only publicly accepted because Enthusiast Oct 2013 #32

Exactly gopiscrap Oct 2013 #46

that's the problem, isn't it? It is they who legitimize the third way - by making the third way the Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #4

+1000. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #19

You got it pretty well nailed. The non-insane alternative. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #34

That makes me think ofthe Firesign Theater's NOT INSANE album eridani Oct 2013 #72

Good stuff. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #73

That's why it's important to focus fire on Republicans and not Democrats Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #7

Trust me, more than enough rage and anger to pass around NuclearDem Oct 2013 #9

Attacking Dems like Obama only strengthens people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #12

+ 1000. There were also times when I saw perfectly sensible Liberals support Ron and Rand Paul. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #16

Attacking bad Democrats only reaffirms that being a Democrat... Chan790 Oct 2013 #29

I'm no longer gonna post in this thread Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #31

Now that was actually like a cartoon bird. Right on script. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #36

Ignoring bad acts by Democrats only strengthens thosein the Democratic party who act badly . [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2013 #63

Yup Enthusiast Oct 2013 #69

Not calling them out on their crap Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #79

Sad but true. +infinity. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #124

Once we have eliminated the terrorist opposition SwankyXomb Oct 2013 #66

+1 rtassi Oct 2013 #90

But we need Democrats, not "Democrats" MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #11

You go on with your bad self and attack Obama Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #13

And how did we *get* to "total fucking chaos"? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #15

The people working hard to make sure we don't get there... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #21

You like "free" trade? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #23

Oh, baby! nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #41

50 Trillion Dollars StevePaulson Oct 2013 #61

Partially true. bvar22 Oct 2013 #104

Well said, thank you! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #115

Excellent post, thank you bvar. . sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #199

Obama and Reid CREATED this situation Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #80

Do you think Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are as good as we can ever manage, though? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #140

Oh baby! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #40

If dems would act like dems, they wouldn't need barrels of corporate cash to get elected. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #102

+1... SidDithers Oct 2013 #93

Denigrating Democrats? bvar22 Oct 2013 #118

I don't like Truman MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #157

Yeah. Truman was so MEAN to the Republicans and everything. bvar22 Oct 2013 #172

It's amazing to me that Obama never realized that "splitting the difference" isn't change. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #188

There are no intellectual borders keeping sane thought out of moran enclaves in a wired world Coyotl Oct 2013 #10

This is why they are stepping up their intensity. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #43

If you are talking long-term, it all hinges on 2 things: BlueStreak Oct 2013 #14

I like the way you think........nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #45

so do I! Duppers Oct 2013 #88

It ends with a peaceful secession of R states if they have their way Corruption Inc Oct 2013 #26

They have a gravy train. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #27

Hmmm 2naSalit Oct 2013 #49

You are correct. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #57

Yes because Oregon and Washington have no trees or parks at all and California's Redwood Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #85

Perhaps you might 2naSalit Oct 2013 #116

Yes! "I prefer wildlife to people for one thing." Duppers Oct 2013 #91

Didn't see that post but 2naSalit Oct 2013 #114

Whatever, but my Wife & I will be staying with whatever piece gets New Orleans, bvar22 Oct 2013 #112

I have been speaking civil war nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #42

Give 'em your spleen, they'll want your pancreas. Give 'em the pancreas, they'll want your liver NBachers Oct 2013 #51

Civil wars are hardly the glorious field of battle nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #98

They're all welcome to emigrate to Somalia ... Myrina Oct 2013 #193

" The stupidity that runs amok in large swaths of this country is crushing." Phlem Oct 2013 #28

They are a big part of the reason why I support ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #30

All of this is very depressing...its almost like they are doing the happy dance yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #33

Stock market goes down 400 points Monday grantcart Oct 2013 #35

They tried that. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #82

The stock market hasn't dropped 3% in a single day, that is what is going to happen grantcart Oct 2013 #92

That depends on how you define "end" and how you define "well" starroute Oct 2013 #37

"...how do we get to common ground with these people...." mike_c Oct 2013 #38

Or he's anticipating the market collapse. ffr Oct 2013 #39

I remember when Cheney made a bundle shorting the dollar munster69 Oct 2013 #50

I agree how can people be so fucking stupid gopiscrap Oct 2013 #44

These are special politicians. You know, existentialists RWing American style. Rex Oct 2013 #48

I'm pretty depressed, too, Manny, Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #52

What do you mean by "well?" The usual meaning won't apply, unless it includes "chaoitic." hooverville29 Oct 2013 #56

Either way it ends, it ends with Republican self-immolation. joshcryer Oct 2013 #59

maybe attacking them instead of our President would be a better use of your talents? scheming daemons Oct 2013 #60

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #95

*Which* town needs an enema, Sid? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #161

Maybe attacking Republicans instead of hawking TPP, a Grand Bargain, and MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #151

And break his campaign promises? joshcryer Oct 2013 #154

+1000 YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #159

You can't reason w/ idiocy!!!! Lobo27 Oct 2013 #62

I'm sorry to agree with you Manny. caseymoz Oct 2013 #64

It totally exposes the Republicans. That's better than before. delrem Oct 2013 #65

Yet even stupid people get to vote and have a say. dkf Oct 2013 #68

These people have no comprehension of the forces they are dealing with. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #70

Depends on what is meant by end well MarchemintotheSea Oct 2013 #74

I think it began with Reagan. GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #75

We went to a weiner roast last night and I ran into a couple of them. They B Calm Oct 2013 #77

"how do we get to common ground with these people in our lifetimes?" Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #83

That's very "un-bipartisan" of you. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #175

"Bipartisan" is the Latin word Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #192

I understand the depressed part, Manny. 99Forever Oct 2013 #84

It's all Theatre. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #173

We don't get to common ground with them. stillwaiting Oct 2013 #86

these idiots are not qualified to run a dog pound. spanone Oct 2013 #87

Cultural evolution. randome Oct 2013 #89

I think the Court is going to try to usurp power pretty soon. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #97

With four days left, constitutional crisis is next warrenswil Oct 2013 #101

And what scares me is that I was once depressed that they judged Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #103

I hear you...but, I can't go down as far as Richard Nixon... KoKo Oct 2013 #164

On moral/ethical/humane grounds, he was a worm. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #168

The "opening" of China was not a bad thing. bvar22 Oct 2013 #196

I'm depressed by this too. Liberalynn Oct 2013 #105

Republicans are counting on democrats to give in! We have to stay B Calm Oct 2013 #107

Obama stands his ground refuses to cave mints a trillion dollar coin on point Oct 2013 #108

Disunion. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #109

Sadly, blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #171

I think it will end in treason Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #111

DOJ will never prosecute. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #170

Well...you just asked the *Eternal Question of the Traditional Democrat* ~ Zorra Oct 2013 #113

imo it's way past time for voters who elect such idiots to pay a price... polichick Oct 2013 #125

When I'm depressed, I always turn to Rodney: DeSwiss Oct 2013 #126

Rodney was awesome. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #150

Thanks. Reminds me of the Flip Wilson days...I promise not to say "the good ol' days". Not. libdem4life Oct 2013 #181

Thank you! :-) n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #187

I get more worried by the day steve2470 Oct 2013 #128

I don't even know if it will end, let alone end well Demeter Oct 2013 #129

To begin with, the guy on the bottom (Gohmert) will take over for Boehner. AlinPA Oct 2013 #130

It does not nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #133

Ideally, with the entire GOP prosecuted for extortion. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #135

I think you have finally realized why it is so difficult for President Obama to govern this nation. DCBob Oct 2013 #137

Its got to turn very quickly. I feel we'll get a clen vote this week. marble falls Oct 2013 #138

I'm ashamed to say that my state has elected TxDemChem Oct 2013 #143

Krugman: Flim Flam Forever ProSense Oct 2013 #152

It just stands to reason, if Marbles in my mouth Limbaugh is their Guru orpupilofnature57 Oct 2013 #153

Support Democrats, at all levels of government YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #158

How? Buy stock in Diebold or whatever company counts the votes and you, too, can be happy or AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #162

It doesn't hooverville29 Oct 2013 #167

"how do we get to common ground with these people" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #174

They cut a deal before Thursday TomClash Oct 2013 #176

If America defaults, Socialism/Communism wins. wouldsman Oct 2013 #177

That's a result I would not be unhappy with. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #178

They've always been there, way out on the fringe. Curse the establishment that gave them crediblity! mountain grammy Oct 2013 #180

Wall Street and their media minions weaponized the stupid. It's up to them to defuse it n/t Azathoth Oct 2013 #189

Yep. All thanks to the efforts of investors supporting the 1%. raouldukelives Oct 2013 #195

It probably does not end well. Here, however, is one possible scenario. OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #190

We've always had these grifters, crazies, and dimwits Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #202