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196. The "opening" of China was not a bad thing.

Reply to Jackpine Radical (Reply #168)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 12:39 PM

Oct 2013

Granting China Most Favored Nation Trade Status was.

Thank You, Bill Clinton!

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So how does this end well? I mean, really? [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 OP

I would love for Oregon, Washington and California to form a new nation quinnox Oct 2013 #1

Can we New Englanders join too? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #5

Sure, why not quinnox Oct 2013 #6

Awesome! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #17

You know, when you look at it... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #136

I and a few of my displaced liberal friends from Texas would like to come to! rury Oct 2013 #182

Your baseball wasn't looking so very good tonight! ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #22

We saw 'em play the Tigers at Fenway a few weeks ago MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #24

It's going to be a good series. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #25

Sure, it would be the United States of Canada! nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #144

Sorry, but y'all got way more than your fare share of kooks...which would only become ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #20

I'd say election results indicate the West Coast has either fewer or more Democratic 'kooks' Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #81

Nope. No thanks. Not a place I like to visit. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #106

I've lived in five states during my adult life... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #139

Ithaca, NY. pangaia Oct 2013 #146

Ithaca is Utopia? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #149

Yup YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #160

actually make that Western Washington gopiscrap Oct 2013 #47

Along with BC, it's been called Cascadia. JBoy Oct 2013 #54

Yup I've heard that before gopiscrap Oct 2013 #55

Oh, no. There are scattered alternative communities and individuals in N. Central and Zorra Oct 2013 #120

where did you grow up gopiscrap Oct 2013 #121

Somewhere between the Cascades and the Idaho border. Zorra Oct 2013 #122

Yes Kalispel MT gopiscrap Oct 2013 #123

Spokane born and raised. grantcart Oct 2013 #156

I like Peaceful Valley a lot. Spokane's not a real big city, but it has twice the population Zorra Oct 2013 #166

I sang in Wilbur once in 1978 gopiscrap Oct 2013 #179

Sandpoint is great but it is cold. Seems a lot colder than when I was a kid. grantcart Oct 2013 #183

It's beautiful though, specially around the lake. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #184

No I escaped. But jump into the Pend Oreille and you will see serious shrinkage. grantcart Oct 2013 #185

no way...we're coming with you barnabas63 Oct 2013 #163

Even in northern California some areas lean toward the whacko... Adsos Letter Oct 2013 #169

Heaven. Sign me up, now, please. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #119

gen. disc. kardonb Oct 2013 #127

Even better BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #132

Too close to all the radiation! BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #131

Cascadia, bitches! liberalmuse Oct 2013 #141

The United States of Canada, Le Qu�bec, and the Jesusland Confederacy: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #142

Oh shit, JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #145

I know I am getting picky here but.. pangaia Oct 2013 #147

Some maps give southern sections like the Republic of Orange to Mexico. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #148

Absolutely, pangaia Oct 2013 #155

Totally agree. The West coast states has more in common with each other LittleBlue Oct 2013 #191

I want British Columbia to join us. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #201

Lots of stupidity - but also a healthy dose of willful ignorance. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2

"manipulated" ...that's the word I've been looking for to describe them...thanks! tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #53

+1 LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #76

i never had any common ground with people like these twirps. madrchsod Oct 2013 #3

Even our President called Ryan's budget a "serious proposal" MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #8

The DC DEMS seem to always treat the GOP as serious, good-faith actors in Governing, in the face of blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #18

Because the Republicans make the DC Dems look better by comparison Fumesucker Oct 2013 #58

Exactly. I wonder how long it will be before everyone gets it? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #117

yup...even our "Blue State" Dems are beholden to Wall St... adirondacker Oct 2013 #134

It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda leveymg Oct 2013 #67

^^^^^^^This is the correct answer^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2013 #71

We are being played, well some of us are. It's sad how easily fooled we sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #194

Yup. Did you see this thread? woo me with science Oct 2013 #197

I did see it. And yes, it is the same old game. Get enough Dems to go along sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #198

It is the "Villain Rotation" Scam bvar22 Oct 2013 #200

You know, I've had this in the back of my mind as a possibilty Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #78

I "voiced" this at length when the Austerity by Default selective shutdown started, here: leveymg Oct 2013 #94

I was on the road for 6 hours the day you posted that and Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #96

The Deal comes next, now that we've been worn out by the only seeming alternative: another "crisis" leveymg Oct 2013 #99

Thanks for re-posting the link. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #100

Yeah, I posted what turned out to be a pretty long and many recced thread....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #165

Plus 10 Brazillions! Myrina Oct 2013 #110

.."austerity by default"... MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #186

They are only publicly accepted because Enthusiast Oct 2013 #32

Exactly gopiscrap Oct 2013 #46

that's the problem, isn't it? It is they who legitimize the third way - by making the third way the Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #4

+1000. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #19

You got it pretty well nailed. The non-insane alternative. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #34

That makes me think ofthe Firesign Theater's NOT INSANE album eridani Oct 2013 #72

Good stuff. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #73

That's why it's important to focus fire on Republicans and not Democrats Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #7

Trust me, more than enough rage and anger to pass around NuclearDem Oct 2013 #9

Attacking Dems like Obama only strengthens people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #12

+ 1000. There were also times when I saw perfectly sensible Liberals support Ron and Rand Paul. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #16

Attacking bad Democrats only reaffirms that being a Democrat... Chan790 Oct 2013 #29

I'm no longer gonna post in this thread Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #31

Now that was actually like a cartoon bird. Right on script. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #36

Ignoring bad acts by Democrats only strengthens thosein the Democratic party who act badly . [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2013 #63

Yup Enthusiast Oct 2013 #69

Not calling them out on their crap Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #79

Sad but true. +infinity. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #124

Once we have eliminated the terrorist opposition SwankyXomb Oct 2013 #66

+1 rtassi Oct 2013 #90

But we need Democrats, not "Democrats" MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #11

You go on with your bad self and attack Obama Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #13

And how did we *get* to "total fucking chaos"? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #15

The people working hard to make sure we don't get there... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #21

You like "free" trade? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #23

Oh, baby! nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #41

50 Trillion Dollars StevePaulson Oct 2013 #61

Partially true. bvar22 Oct 2013 #104

Well said, thank you! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #115

Excellent post, thank you bvar. . sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #199

Obama and Reid CREATED this situation Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #80

Do you think Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are as good as we can ever manage, though? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #140

Oh baby! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #40

If dems would act like dems, they wouldn't need barrels of corporate cash to get elected. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #102

+1... SidDithers Oct 2013 #93

Denigrating Democrats? bvar22 Oct 2013 #118

I don't like Truman MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #157

Yeah. Truman was so MEAN to the Republicans and everything. bvar22 Oct 2013 #172

It's amazing to me that Obama never realized that "splitting the difference" isn't change. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #188

There are no intellectual borders keeping sane thought out of moran enclaves in a wired world Coyotl Oct 2013 #10

This is why they are stepping up their intensity. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #43

If you are talking long-term, it all hinges on 2 things: BlueStreak Oct 2013 #14

I like the way you think........nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #45

so do I! Duppers Oct 2013 #88

It ends with a peaceful secession of R states if they have their way Corruption Inc Oct 2013 #26

They have a gravy train. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #27

Hmmm 2naSalit Oct 2013 #49

You are correct. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #57

Yes because Oregon and Washington have no trees or parks at all and California's Redwood Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #85

Perhaps you might 2naSalit Oct 2013 #116

Yes! "I prefer wildlife to people for one thing." Duppers Oct 2013 #91

Didn't see that post but 2naSalit Oct 2013 #114

Whatever, but my Wife & I will be staying with whatever piece gets New Orleans, bvar22 Oct 2013 #112

I have been speaking civil war nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #42

Give 'em your spleen, they'll want your pancreas. Give 'em the pancreas, they'll want your liver NBachers Oct 2013 #51

Civil wars are hardly the glorious field of battle nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #98

They're all welcome to emigrate to Somalia ... Myrina Oct 2013 #193

" The stupidity that runs amok in large swaths of this country is crushing." Phlem Oct 2013 #28

They are a big part of the reason why I support ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #30

All of this is very depressing...its almost like they are doing the happy dance yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #33

Stock market goes down 400 points Monday grantcart Oct 2013 #35

They tried that. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #82

The stock market hasn't dropped 3% in a single day, that is what is going to happen grantcart Oct 2013 #92

That depends on how you define "end" and how you define "well" starroute Oct 2013 #37

"...how do we get to common ground with these people...." mike_c Oct 2013 #38

Or he's anticipating the market collapse. ffr Oct 2013 #39

I remember when Cheney made a bundle shorting the dollar munster69 Oct 2013 #50

I agree how can people be so fucking stupid gopiscrap Oct 2013 #44

These are special politicians. You know, existentialists RWing American style. Rex Oct 2013 #48

I'm pretty depressed, too, Manny, Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #52

What do you mean by "well?" The usual meaning won't apply, unless it includes "chaoitic." hooverville29 Oct 2013 #56

Either way it ends, it ends with Republican self-immolation. joshcryer Oct 2013 #59

maybe attacking them instead of our President would be a better use of your talents? scheming daemons Oct 2013 #60

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #95

*Which* town needs an enema, Sid? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #161

Maybe attacking Republicans instead of hawking TPP, a Grand Bargain, and MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #151

And break his campaign promises? joshcryer Oct 2013 #154

+1000 YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #159

You can't reason w/ idiocy!!!! Lobo27 Oct 2013 #62

I'm sorry to agree with you Manny. caseymoz Oct 2013 #64

It totally exposes the Republicans. That's better than before. delrem Oct 2013 #65

Yet even stupid people get to vote and have a say. dkf Oct 2013 #68

These people have no comprehension of the forces they are dealing with. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #70

Depends on what is meant by end well MarchemintotheSea Oct 2013 #74

I think it began with Reagan. GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #75

We went to a weiner roast last night and I ran into a couple of them. They B Calm Oct 2013 #77

"how do we get to common ground with these people in our lifetimes?" Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #83

That's very "un-bipartisan" of you. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #175

"Bipartisan" is the Latin word Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #192

I understand the depressed part, Manny. 99Forever Oct 2013 #84

It's all Theatre. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #173

We don't get to common ground with them. stillwaiting Oct 2013 #86

these idiots are not qualified to run a dog pound. spanone Oct 2013 #87

Cultural evolution. randome Oct 2013 #89

I think the Court is going to try to usurp power pretty soon. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #97

With four days left, constitutional crisis is next warrenswil Oct 2013 #101

And what scares me is that I was once depressed that they judged Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #103

I hear you...but, I can't go down as far as Richard Nixon... KoKo Oct 2013 #164

On moral/ethical/humane grounds, he was a worm. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #168

The "opening" of China was not a bad thing. bvar22 Oct 2013 #196

I'm depressed by this too. Liberalynn Oct 2013 #105

Republicans are counting on democrats to give in! We have to stay B Calm Oct 2013 #107

Obama stands his ground refuses to cave mints a trillion dollar coin on point Oct 2013 #108

Disunion. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #109

Sadly, blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #171

I think it will end in treason Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #111

DOJ will never prosecute. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #170

Well...you just asked the *Eternal Question of the Traditional Democrat* ~ Zorra Oct 2013 #113

imo it's way past time for voters who elect such idiots to pay a price... polichick Oct 2013 #125

When I'm depressed, I always turn to Rodney: DeSwiss Oct 2013 #126

Rodney was awesome. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #150

Thanks. Reminds me of the Flip Wilson days...I promise not to say "the good ol' days". Not. libdem4life Oct 2013 #181

Thank you! :-) n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #187

I get more worried by the day steve2470 Oct 2013 #128

I don't even know if it will end, let alone end well Demeter Oct 2013 #129

To begin with, the guy on the bottom (Gohmert) will take over for Boehner. AlinPA Oct 2013 #130

It does not nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #133

Ideally, with the entire GOP prosecuted for extortion. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #135

I think you have finally realized why it is so difficult for President Obama to govern this nation. DCBob Oct 2013 #137

Its got to turn very quickly. I feel we'll get a clen vote this week. marble falls Oct 2013 #138

I'm ashamed to say that my state has elected TxDemChem Oct 2013 #143

Krugman: Flim Flam Forever ProSense Oct 2013 #152

It just stands to reason, if Marbles in my mouth Limbaugh is their Guru orpupilofnature57 Oct 2013 #153

Support Democrats, at all levels of government YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #158

How? Buy stock in Diebold or whatever company counts the votes and you, too, can be happy or AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #162

It doesn't hooverville29 Oct 2013 #167

"how do we get to common ground with these people" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #174

They cut a deal before Thursday TomClash Oct 2013 #176

If America defaults, Socialism/Communism wins. wouldsman Oct 2013 #177

That's a result I would not be unhappy with. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #178

They've always been there, way out on the fringe. Curse the establishment that gave them crediblity! mountain grammy Oct 2013 #180

Wall Street and their media minions weaponized the stupid. It's up to them to defuse it n/t Azathoth Oct 2013 #189

Yep. All thanks to the efforts of investors supporting the 1%. raouldukelives Oct 2013 #195

It probably does not end well. Here, however, is one possible scenario. OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #190

We've always had these grifters, crazies, and dimwits Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #202