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cilla4progress

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313. Listen..I hear you...me too

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 02:20 PM

Oct 2013

And I've posted repeatedly here on DU with same response.

My monthly premiums, deductible, and annual out of pocket are going up under ACA. I just got laid off from my job, yet these are the rates under our now LOWER annual household income! My current plan is closing down as of 12/31/13. Our household income is @ just under 400% FPL (depending on whether unemployment benefits are counted, which I assume they are. If so, we are at/about 400% FPL). Maybe my coverage was crappy but, like you, it worked for me.

We won't sink, but unless and until I find a new job (at 58.5 y.o.), our disposable income and household budget is taking a huge hit!

I feel burned because Pres. O. kept reassuring everyone that if we "liked the insurance we had we could keep it." I believed him. What happened?

I think I understand why this is happening. As stated above: cost sharing. But really, @ $70K / yr. for family of 3 and I am expected to shoulder MORE cost? While millionaires and billionaires walk? Seems wrong, to me.

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Here's my ACA rate INCREASE for those who doubt... [View all] ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 OP

It looks like an upgraded policy. Sparkly Oct 2013 #1

I _can't_ keep the same plan. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #3

Who is the "they" that is forcing you? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #19

Companies that are complying with the law as written Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #190

but it is my understanding that if your premiums are more than something like 10% of what you make notadmblnd Oct 2013 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #209

Yes it is. It's entirely ACA Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #225

It looks like your current company is trying to take you for a ride. Incitatus Oct 2013 #24

Yes it is B2G Oct 2013 #32

Yes, they do because before, a plan with maternity coverage would cost... Barack_America Oct 2013 #34

Ok, so his plan does have to be upgraded. Incitatus Oct 2013 #60

There's no indication this plan is through an exchange. Barack_America Oct 2013 #64

It doesn't matter B2G Oct 2013 #75

I appreciate your assistance in this thread... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #126

I completely understand B2G Oct 2013 #250

We all know the ACA is not perfect . . . brush Oct 2013 #157

Yes, it's part of the new law. Other co's on the exchange are just as ridiculously priced. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #55

Insurance companies are getting rid of their shitty catastrophic plans JaneyVee Oct 2013 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #301

The ACA does not prevent premiums going up more than 10%. former9thward Oct 2013 #262

Right. Sparkly Oct 2013 #275

Is this insurance through an employer? B Calm Oct 2013 #2

It's an individual plan I've had for several years. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #5

Did you check the rates you would get on healthcare.gov? bunnies Oct 2013 #10

Bingo! regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #21

Thank you. I was going to edit to add in what you said about subsidies... bunnies Oct 2013 #33

Who do you tuink insures the Obamacare policies? B2G Oct 2013 #39

But only healthcare.gov offers subsidies. bunnies Oct 2013 #52

Bingo? LOL... Brother, this IS THE EXCHANGE PLAN... I've seen it, it's the SAME PLAN... n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #56

It may be the same plan, but what people are saying is that if you actually acquire it via cui bono Oct 2013 #81

Most likely? B2G Oct 2013 #89

I have no idea, I'm just trying to clarify the point others are making with less cui bono Oct 2013 #98

his income level would help, too. mzteris Oct 2013 #289

400% of poverty level and below is 67% of the US population tabasco Oct 2013 #110

A single person making under $45,000 who's insurance is more than 9.5% of their salary VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #161

You've "seen" it. mzteris Oct 2013 #290

Wouldn't bet on that. The on and off exchange individual policies I'm hearing are the same. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #188

PPACA is private indivual health insurance, not health care TransitJohn Oct 2013 #231

he probably can't Enrique Oct 2013 #42

He said in post #5 its not through his employer. bunnies Oct 2013 #44

oh ok i see Enrique Oct 2013 #76

If you get insurance from an employer tabasco Oct 2013 #114

So... Then you have not shopped for a better plan? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #15

Sigh... I _did_ shop around, and this is on par with everything available... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #57

Really... Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #66

Feel free, but I understand B2G Oct 2013 #77

The people who signed it into law... sendero Oct 2013 #241

Gawd. Just cancel that stinker and get a plan through the exchanges. Sheesh. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #113

The plans on the exchange are just as pricey, and this plan is already a part of the exchange... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #129

Well, deal with it. There are no more crappy policies available. There never should have been, kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #145

You've given the first post that is exactly what I wanted to say..... llmart Oct 2013 #162

$25k?? Jeez, I wish, lol. The Great Recession has put me down considerably from that. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #171

Not to mention the caps on Maximum out of pocket... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #252

Explain to my why my current policy was crappy, hmm? It worked well when I needed in two years ago. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #260

Listen..I hear you...me too cilla4progress Oct 2013 #313

Incoming! ... 1000words Oct 2013 #4

What does that mean? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #8

Some will not enjoy hearing your story 1000words Oct 2013 #12

because blaming the ACA for the fact that his insurance co. is trying to screw him... bunnies Oct 2013 #47

Rates at all five providers on the exchange are nearly identical... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #61

and subsidies? bunnies Oct 2013 #63

repeated refusal to address this question = he's full of baloney elehhhhna Oct 2013 #273

Except you have not bothered to go to healthcare,gov or your state site. DevonRex Oct 2013 #99

The aca was written for insurance companies. if it had been written correctly Doctor_J Oct 2013 #285

Im not getting helped by the ACA. bunnies Oct 2013 #286

If you show any hint of positivity toward Obama or what he's done... Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #310

Funny, isnt it? bunnies Oct 2013 #312

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #303

Who is the "we" who is enrolling you? Beaverhausen Oct 2013 #6

50% Coinsurance, as in the OP's example, means you pay half Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #115

Only "on top of the premiums", not the deductibles. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #144

That's true, I misspoke. So the patient pays 100% of the bills until the deductible is reached Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #150

Hes not a family, he is an individual. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #159

Okay, so for him it is $9200. Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #179

Yes, but the idea with an HSA compatible plan like this one Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #194

So the money they don't have... PETRUS Oct 2013 #196

We know that the OP earns at least $46,000 per year Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #200

You mean $6350 according to the documents he posted. stevenleser Oct 2013 #215

The out-of-pocket is in addition to the premiums. Cal Carpenter Oct 2013 #247

so don't get the free diagnostic tests.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #255

but others got great rates..... bajamary Oct 2013 #7

The point is people are being called liars when they talk about rate increases here... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #9

You're not getting a rate increase. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #29

Upgraded? Savannahmann Oct 2013 #41

Much more coverage. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #45

But you missed his point. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #70

Thank you. Some sanity in a sea of denial. nt B2G Oct 2013 #78

In single payer, you dont get to opt out of anything, you just get taxed. And the OP would get taxed stevenleser Oct 2013 #205

But in single-payer, it would not be a for-profit disease management model like it is today... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #258

None of that has to do with what was being discussed, which is choice of what is covered and stevenleser Oct 2013 #259

Why is it "interesting" that I don't want to share my income details? I don't qualify for a subsidy. ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #261

oh hell yeah let's have a menu elehhhhna Oct 2013 #274

The posters point was that he had a menu of things to choose. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #283

He hasn't even looked up an ACA policy and is full of baloney elehhhhna Oct 2013 #292

So you are saying that the requirements of the ACA on insurance Savannahmann Oct 2013 #293

WHat part of "pool" is confusing? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #296

I would guess that the "upgraded" part of the new plans would be....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #49

His insurance company is not B2G Oct 2013 #43

It only "proves" that you don't know enough about the ACA� regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #31

Individual policy premiums for males in my state have risen because of ACA... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #264

They are being called liars for blaming ACA for their insurance company's greed. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #118

Yes. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #314

You're getting more things covered. So, it should go up. Yavin4 Oct 2013 #11

Fortunately, he now has maternity coverage. dairydog91 Oct 2013 #16

Well it is a family plan, so obviously he has a wife and possibly children. notadmblnd Oct 2013 #25

It is not a family plan. It's an individual plan. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #53

Well you circled/highlighted the family numbers as if those were your prices notadmblnd Oct 2013 #62

I've been paying extra for coverage of obese people and their ills for my whole life and you don't kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #121

Gotta rec your post. llmart Oct 2013 #167

Most these assholes are RW trolls. They don't even try to be subtle. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #174

Yeah, I figured this was a "plant"..... llmart Oct 2013 #178

I do sense a serious "demotivating" effort by some. MADem Oct 2013 #306

Democrats DO value the social contract. RWers don't. You can always tell who is who by that. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #176

Getting angry at contributing to maternity care is silly. MADem Oct 2013 #304

He also has mental health coverage. moriah Oct 2013 #189

Yeah, and I gotta pay for school that other people's kids go to. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #191

An extra $75 a month in premiums, but also higher deductible and coinsurance. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #28

Sorry, but you have already used maternity coverage.nt Barack_America Oct 2013 #13

Where are you getting this print-out? regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #14

I did. They are all just as bad, as I said. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #18

So you admit that these photos are not from the ACA site, but from your insurance company. Th1onein Oct 2013 #36

Jesus back off B2G Oct 2013 #50

Oh, I "get it," alright. I just don't like people playing me for a fool. Neither should you. Th1onein Oct 2013 #59

Here's the deal skippy B2G Oct 2013 #67

Here's the quote directly from his subject line in the OP: Here's my ACA rate INCREASE for those wh Th1onein Oct 2013 #82

It is an ACA increase B2G Oct 2013 #84

Bullshit Caretha Oct 2013 #136

Actually, shes right. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #181

ACA requires it Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #197

I see. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #208

It will shock them Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #226

Nope. Th1onein Oct 2013 #238

For the last time I *DID* see the exchange plans... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #246

You came on here posting photos of your private insurance carriers rates and tried to pass them off Th1onein Oct 2013 #256

What? What are you TALKING about? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #263

No, these are Blue Cross rates that are for a Blue Cross plan that has the comparable coverage that Th1onein Oct 2013 #271

It *IS* a plan offered on our state's exchange! What is SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #272

You don't get it. I DO understand what you are trying to tell me. Th1onein Oct 2013 #284

Because we are Liberals not libertarians. MattBaggins Oct 2013 #299

Hey! Dont talk to Jesus that way. bunnies Oct 2013 #65

He never said the documents were from the government site. subterranean Oct 2013 #72

I'm going to be paying $1,300/month for coverage until the ACA kicks in after the first. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #17

No shit n/t PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #38

Geezus. $1300 for the 3 of you? Thats just insane. nt bunnies Oct 2013 #40

Mine is 2,000. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #96

ouchhhhhh steve2470 Oct 2013 #102

Yes...my ACA premium is lower. 2k is what I am paying 'til it kicks in. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #142

Damn, that is brutal. Affordable? Really? dkf Oct 2013 #107

Um, my ACA premium is less than a third of that. How interesting you assumed an anti-ACA stance. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #141

Our family plan through work has been $1800 for three of us. Ms. Toad Oct 2013 #165

The last year I was self employed I spent 1200/month. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #154

Fuckin A! The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #166

Right? WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #170

The full premium for Medicare part A & B is something like $1100/month this year Recursion Oct 2013 #236

I hear you. I pay $620/month for an individual plan. Sparkly Oct 2013 #248

What's your age, married, single, home state, and annual income B Calm Oct 2013 #20

The plan name is different gollygee Oct 2013 #22

People are 'not believing' you because you are mixing terms. grantcart Oct 2013 #23

Not sure your income but do you think that is a huge increase? 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #26

Check the ACA. Wait Wut Oct 2013 #27

seems about right pacog Oct 2013 #30

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #182

Individual policy? Get on the exchange and find Lars39 Oct 2013 #35

I did. They are all just as bad. Already did my homework before posting. nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #125

But you didn't post those results. Lars39 Oct 2013 #133

Look at all the increased coverage you're getting. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #37

I got a similar looking notice PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #46

When I had individual insurance, my rate would go up at least $100 a year ecstatic Oct 2013 #48

Have you tried going through the Exchange? Marrah_G Oct 2013 #51

You're right... Keefer Oct 2013 #130

I'm thinking that you don't understand how this works Marrah_G Oct 2013 #134

It is. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #175

Well, that does suck. subterranean Oct 2013 #54

I understand your point. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #58

You're getting hosed, and it's MANDATED. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #68

oops. nevermind. spanone Oct 2013 #69

Maybe you should leave Blue Essentials. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #71

Im sorry to say this, but youre wrong. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #73

The insurance company put him into the new plan. subterranean Oct 2013 #79

Ahh i see. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #177

I give up B2G Oct 2013 #80

Lol! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #180

the pics you posted are not from the exhange scheming daemons Oct 2013 #74

ONE MORE TIME FOR THE SLOW KIDS... B2G Oct 2013 #83

Stop insulting people ProSense Oct 2013 #86

Whatever nt B2G Oct 2013 #87

Exactly! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #93

I suppose it's OK for posters to insult the OP B2G Oct 2013 #94

The OP is deliberately withholding several important pieces of information. That is being dishonest. stevenleser Oct 2013 #219

But his plan with his doctor is what he wanted. dkf Oct 2013 #111

Not quite. Keefer Oct 2013 #135

The sales job was deceptive. dkf Oct 2013 #138

Until he checks the prices out through the exchange the numbers don't mean anything. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #92

The OP claims he did check out the exchange but does not appear to want to show those numbers Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #97

If he makes less then 45000, as a sigle person, he will get a subsidy. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #104

Right. Why only half the facts? Half assed, it seems. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #120

People are getting really sick of your RW talking points. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #122

Some are getting sick of being called names for speaking truth. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #221

add me to that too. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #253

For the one REALLY slow kid: insurance companies are no longer permitted to sell REALLY crappy kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #128

The whole point of the OP is this: Keefer Oct 2013 #140

He is a HUMAN BEING. He is not forced to buy medical insurance. STOP LYING about that, people. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #146

Ah... Keefer Oct 2013 #147

Yep, because in due time, without insurance, he WILL incur medical bills he can't pay. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #152

Okay. Keefer Oct 2013 #155

Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #169

So, just suck it up and pay, right? Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #172

He WANTS insurance, so yeah. And if he makes more than 50K, he's getting a god deal. bettyellen Oct 2013 #185

It's really not even a question of WANTING insurance anymore, now is it? Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #202

Yes! If you want to shirk responsibility and have resources- you have to pay a penalty. Awesome!! bettyellen Oct 2013 #207

Slow kids? That's how you have a conversation with those who may not agree with you? louslobbs Oct 2013 #164

Yeah, I remember before Obamacare, when premiums didn't rise. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #316

And I'm sorry this is happening B2G Oct 2013 #85

well duh! never go for a HDHP plan NMDemDist2 Oct 2013 #88

Bingo. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #151

Mislead Much? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #90

A LOT of "Not Covered"s are now covered SoCalDem Oct 2013 #91

It would be very interesting and educational for us if you would check the exchange cui bono Oct 2013 #95

If you were born at sometime in the past, a woman has been charged higher rates to have you. bravenak Oct 2013 #100

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #132

best post of the week! Whisp Oct 2013 #288

Subsidy Calculator at the Kaiser Family Foundation. For all states. It works. DevonRex Oct 2013 #101

ACA put this one up today B2G Oct 2013 #108

LOL! You must not have noticed but they USE the Kaiser site for the subsidy calculation. DevonRex Oct 2013 #137

You also left out the most important thing on that site: the warning at the bottom of EVERY PAGE. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #153

But the ones on the Kaiser site do. So, use the first one to find out which companies and DevonRex Oct 2013 #206

don't pop the propaganda balloon. dionysus Oct 2013 #184

I'm trying to DevonRex Oct 2013 #227

With dental, vision, maternity, and mental health coverage? kentuck Oct 2013 #103

The ACA only covers pediatric dental/vision to age 19... I am in mid 30s so I get nothing. nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #242

What were your pre-2010 annual and lifetime maximums? pnwmom Oct 2013 #105

its silly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #106

Why are you refusing to say wether you get a subsidy or your income? jbond56 Oct 2013 #109

Stop whining. You've got yourself a bronze plan there, and that premium is quite reasonable. I kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #112

The ACA depends on younger healthier people paying more for sicker older people. dkf Oct 2013 #116

Wait. Time out. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #117

The rate on the exchange is the same as what BCBS sent me... sigh... nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #123

Whats your income and do you qualify for a subsidy? jbond56 Oct 2013 #124

He refuses to say. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #156

Can you post those figures as well? louslobbs Oct 2013 #168

You're also getting mental health coverage and improved drug coverage. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #119

Then keep the old plan treestar Oct 2013 #127

From a 0 to 50% Copay....you lucked out on that one...what an upgrade. ileus Oct 2013 #131

Essentially, you're upset that you have to help pay for children's health care demwing Oct 2013 #139

I have an idea demwing Oct 2013 #143

I don't see ACA circled anywhere. gulliver Oct 2013 #148

I do sympathize with the fact that your mental health benefits are usless with a $2500 deductible Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #149

exactly, and all the women in this country paid the insurance bump for birthing you. No more! bettyellen Oct 2013 #187

post your ACA rate now, or this is bullshit. bettyellen Oct 2013 #158

It's weird, several people including myself have asked to see these comparative figures, to no louslobbs Oct 2013 #173

it's not weird, Lou- it's obviously quite deliberate. as a woman who paid extra for maternity care bettyellen Oct 2013 #183

I agree, it's doing what's not only fair, but what's right. Same thing with paying taxes, I like louslobbs Oct 2013 #217

that is exactly it! i feel educating myself to vote thoughtfully and paying taxes is my give back.. bettyellen Oct 2013 #220

I didn't bother to ask, as it didn't make sense anyway. The refusal to answer is consistent with it freshwest Oct 2013 #198

I'll go with "something." n/t louslobbs Oct 2013 #218

Many pieces of information missing. Like... How much money do you make. I'm guessing a fair amount. stevenleser Oct 2013 #160

I just looked at my numbers. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #163

So your subsidy made a big difference. Lex Oct 2013 #186

The subsidy makes a big difference Turbineguy Oct 2013 #192

If you make enough to not qualify for subsidies, you can afford $236 a month. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #195

I've browsed through the posts on this thread, and I wish yours was on top! hedgehog Oct 2013 #210

That is absolute bullshit. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #222

If you live payday to payday, and you don't qualify for subsidies, then you have other problems. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #224

Oh, there's more. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #229

Gee what a swell tale HangOnKids Oct 2013 #232

"I wub creekjdog." Rex Oct 2013 #267

The fellow travelers are all telling the same tale in this thread. And it's laughable. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #257

You hit the donut hole in you Republican controlled state. I replied to you in that thread and PM. stevenleser Oct 2013 #240

Wasting your time. Rex Oct 2013 #268

That's not a rate increase. That's Roselma Oct 2013 #201

This plan useless...you have to hope to get diagnosed with cancer ileus Oct 2013 #203

it's a private plan, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2013 #211

everyone knows that and it's still useless. ileus Oct 2013 #239

No, the OP is useless because it doesn't show comparable exchange policy rates and subsidies. LOL. bettyellen Oct 2013 #266

OMG, upgrading from "Essential" to "Plus" costs more! That's insane! Ian David Oct 2013 #204

Its a mandatory upgrade, if he wants to keep his insurance/doctors darkangel218 Oct 2013 #212

I just downgraded my satellite programming. Now instead of 300 channels of garbage, I only have 150 lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #213

No offense, and I do realize that this is a large increase for you.... moriah Oct 2013 #214

For perspective salin Oct 2013 #216

Boo f@%# ho whoa is me i have to pay $238 a month for insurance... Drew Richards Oct 2013 #223

The premium isn't the only thing that went up . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #233

Here's what I found on the ACA before subsidy pacog Oct 2013 #228

the new plan appears to have a lot more benefits samsingh Oct 2013 #230

your current plan sucks balls. If you cant see that you were the sucker at the table.... TeamPooka Oct 2013 #234

Please explain how my current plan "sucks balls"? I racked up nearly $80K in bills two years ago... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #245

Medical underwriting. You were one of the "free riders" everybody complained about. Recursion Oct 2013 #235

LOL... such vitriol! I'm a "free rider" with low-usage? How do you even know that? ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #243

Our insurance more than doubled uppityperson Oct 2013 #237

Let's be accurate. Your NET payment may be going down do to the subsudies BlueStreak Oct 2013 #279

I do not think the ACA goes far enough, have lots of concern for losers but also want to make clear uppityperson Oct 2013 #294

We need specifics, account data, your entire family Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #244

Sorry, not buying what you're selling here. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #249

Just sell your Obamaphone Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #251

an HSA is basically self insurance BainsBane Oct 2013 #254

****PLEASE POST COMPARABLE EXCHANGE PLANE SO WE CAN ALL SEE, NOT SPECULATION THAT**** uponit7771 Oct 2013 #265

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #305

Another bogus claim without proof. Rex Oct 2013 #269

Perhaps you were unable to see the image I posted... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #270

You really call that "proof"? Really? rdharma Oct 2013 #276

I do call it proof, since it's pretty clear my rate is going up because of ACA... ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #280

Looks like more drug coverage than you had. Should quickly pay for any increase in premiums. patricia92243 Oct 2013 #277

If I had a daily regimen of prescription drugs, perhaps so. n/t ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #281

Actually, there IS a way to fix this. man4allcats Oct 2013 #278

I know full well what single-payer is and I advocate it wholeheartedly! nt ReverendDeuce Oct 2013 #282

Blue Cross/Blue Shield, right? I believe you. LiberalAndProud Oct 2013 #287

The shock doctrine is not just for governments anymore BlueStreak Oct 2013 #291

Agreed. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #295

And why shouldn't you share the cost of insuring for maternity care? democrattotheend Oct 2013 #297

What if a man never marries and never wants children? davidn3600 Oct 2013 #298

Does he never have sex? democrattotheend Oct 2013 #300

He's paying for the "children" who will contribute to social security MADem Oct 2013 #308

Are you making a point or just whining? renie408 Oct 2013 #302

Why am I NOT surprised. L0oniX Oct 2013 #307

I can't believe I went all the way through this thread snooper2 Oct 2013 #309

your prescription drug coverage is much better on your new policy. Sunlei Oct 2013 #311

Ok, you make too much money to qualify for a subsidy and are complaining about $75/mo more?? Roland99 Oct 2013 #315

Single female, age 47, make too much for subsidies, Myrina Oct 2013 #317

can you afford it? pansypoo53219 Oct 2013 #318