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23. And again we are conned. The familiar "rotating villains" strategy.
Mon Oct 14, 2013, 06:01 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)

We are being played by corporatists in both parties. Again.

These are not rogues. They are the designated villains for this round. This is the same con our own corporate-purchased party plays on us, over and over again.


http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
By Glenn Greenwald

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it’s played:

.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process — which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option — Rockefeller is suddenly “inclined to oppose it” because he doesn’t “think the timing of it is very good” and it’s “too partisan.” What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn’t pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he “would not relent” in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does...They’re willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there’s no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush’s eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush’s habeas and interrogation abuses (“Gosh, what can we do? We just don’t have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.



DUer leveymg and others have correctly identified what is really going on here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411

67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.

That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.

Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.


Wake up, America. We had a few good months in which the American people were united and seemed to have an awakening realization that we are being played by corporatists on both sides.

It's still happening.



Presumably Boehner could force another rule change to take control back from Cantor BlueStreak Oct 2013 #1
I'm sure it was a procedural thing melody Oct 2013 #16
They better have an excuse like that Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #39
Thank you. These 7 should be called out for their subversion of democracy. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #2
They look like DINOs to me. nt SDjack Oct 2013 #7
Me too. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #21
What does a DINO look like? Z_California Oct 2013 #40
Kinda scaly, from gray to orange. SDjack Oct 2013 #64
Like them. Fuddnik Oct 2013 #122
Very lizard-like. woo me with science Oct 2013 #130
That one from AZ no dino. He's a freshshit. Took the place of the one lonestarnot Oct 2013 #44
wth Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #94
tth lonestarnot Oct 2013 #96
Were you unable to recall Gifford's name or is there some sort of derision involved? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #97
Couldn't remember her name. Don't really like her either. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #98
OK, but why not focus on what she's done that you don't like rather than her being shot in the head? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #99
What has she done. Run around to gun shows and buy guns. We already lonestarnot Oct 2013 #100
Collin Peterson is the rep of my parent's district. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #134
They can't be that stupid, they knew what Cantor stood for and what would happen as a result. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #14
It makes no sense. There were already 221 GOP votes. Their votes weren't needed to pass it. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #20
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #51
those were the ones that were PAID for... CTyankee Oct 2013 #54
Because now the meme can be that both Dems and Republicans voted against a clean CR... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #72
So who "orchestrated/staged" the 7's votes? nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #79
What the wholly fuck do the assholes think Cha Oct 2013 #3
they're probably Sleepers. Whisp Oct 2013 #5
They weren't even needed. There were already 221 GOP votes; only 217 was needed to pass. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #24
Need to have your blood pressure raised? thecrow Oct 2013 #4
Ron Barber AZ-2 BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #6
Makes even less sense since Arizona expanded Medicaid. ProSense Oct 2013 #52
Colonel Sanders? nt Snotcicles Oct 2013 #57
Did they even know what they were voting for? Emit Oct 2013 #8
Collin Peterson MN AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #9
Viewed frequently as a Republican here. glinda Oct 2013 #18
Yep. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #111
Sean Patrick Maloney Baloney Emit Oct 2013 #10
"In addition, our military servicemen and servicewomen pangaia Oct 2013 #28
Teabaggers gone wild!!!!!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #47
Hope I didn't ruin your night. pangaia Oct 2013 #66
Why am I not surprised Collin Peterson is on that list? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #11
I expected to see Clown Peterson on that list of fools. Ugh. Owl Oct 2013 #101
WTF! Were they thinking! sheshe2 Oct 2013 #12
This should go viral. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13
And then their offices deluged with phone calls Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2013 #60
They may carry the "Democrat" name on the election ballot but INdemo Oct 2013 #15
But... But... But... We NEED these blue ball Democrats don't we? nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #17
@$$#0(e$ yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #19
Baka! is right. PeoViejo Oct 2013 #31
Honmaya Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #50
un, tabun yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #55
Barrow is a waste of skin. Trying to appease the Ga repukes who still hate him NightWatcher Oct 2013 #22
Give it up, John! trishtrash Oct 2013 #114
And again we are conned. The familiar "rotating villains" strategy. woo me with science Oct 2013 #23
But these 7 votes run counter to GG's "rotating villains" theory. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #27
No, it doesn't "run counter" at all. woo me with science Oct 2013 #36
It was not that close. There were 4 -5 spare GOP votes. These DINO's 7 were totally unnecessary. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #80
As per the unwritten rules for obligatory corporate Dem propaganda responses, woo me with science Oct 2013 #102
woa... I have to read this. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #106
If you spend time reading these for substance, you will be disappointed. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #131
What a diversionary, distorting reply, woo me with science Oct 2013 #133
You fail to cite one falsehood, despite paragraphs of trying. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #138
The propaganda will always be mystified at why Democrats betrayed us "this time." woo me with science Oct 2013 #140
Other than these 7, there have been remarkably few "betrayals" in this shutdown crisis. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #141
ohhh...thanks Sun. you may have just saved me some time. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #135
Nope. woo me with science Oct 2013 #137
Having been shown your GG theory isn't applicable here, you resort to personal attacks. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #117
Arguing that my accurate description of the *arguments* and *tactics* in your posts woo me with science Oct 2013 #136
Calling me a "corporate Dem" is a personal attack, is factually wrong and is bullying. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #139
I think *some* Dems voted against a clean CR... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #73
Are you saying these 7 did it because they wanted to provide cover to Republicans? SunSeeker Oct 2013 #82
They probably did it because they come from red districts pnwmom Oct 2013 #84
Thanks. That mundane reality would explain it, but not excuse it. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #118
It's purple sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #127
Thanks for the info. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #128
None of these votes were needed so . . . so much for that theory. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #83
Excellent Post Z_California Oct 2013 #42
Excellent Analysis... 2banon Oct 2013 #59
A thanks from me too. Plucketeer Oct 2013 #62
Thanks for the great informative post. I had figured out about half of this, but GoneFishin Oct 2013 #67
K&R for exposure of criminals! Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #25
They are seven nobodies. Less than zero, given what they've done. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #26
These fuckers should be KICKED OUT of the party! DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #29
I live in John Barrow's district. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #30
Precisely why the Terms of Service need to be reworked. RC Oct 2013 #70
Perfect! L0oniX Oct 2013 #113
this post of yours... woo me with science Oct 2013 #143
ALERTING! bashing democrats only helps the GOP! KG Oct 2013 #32
Nah, that's apparently these seven reps' jobs. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #48
Interesting. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #33
And none of these votes affected the outcome. pnwmom Oct 2013 #35
Whole lotta speculation ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #37
Speculation, but educated speculation. pnwmom Oct 2013 #38
I'll just stick with speculation. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #46
Is there a single district in this nation which elected a Democrat yet supports a shutdown? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #45
Barber won a tight race in AZ that will be even tighter next year sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #49
That's what I figured. And we wouldn't be in this mess pnwmom Oct 2013 #53
What do you mean 'Nancy Pelosi released them to vote'? They are sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #74
They are supposed to get re-elected. Depending on how red their district is, pnwmom Oct 2013 #75
Who says 'they are supposed to get reelected'??? The people are supposed to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #77
They are supposed to defeat the Rethug candidate. Do you disagree with that? pnwmom Oct 2013 #85
Yes. I disagree with that. Winning the next election should not be the end game. cui bono Oct 2013 #86
Those representatives did serve the public interest. They didn't threaten the vote result -- pnwmom Oct 2013 #87
Well, I truly believe they should vote for what is right. cui bono Oct 2013 #90
Dennis Kucinich fought with passion, but it didn't help him pnwmom Oct 2013 #91
But just think if everyone did it. It would be unstoppable. cui bono Oct 2013 #125
No, if we ran progressives like Kucinich in every conservative district pnwmom Oct 2013 #126
Who won that election? Who beat Dennis Kucinich? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #109
Representatives are elected to represent their districts sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #129
what's with the 2 from new york ? is that a conservative area or something ? JI7 Oct 2013 #41
Barrow was my Representative when I lived in Athens. mac56 Oct 2013 #43
Well we know 7 Democrats to challenge Phlem Oct 2013 #56
SHAME ON THEM!!!!! calimary Oct 2013 #58
Thanks kpete for posting. red dog 1 Oct 2013 #61
red dog 1 kpete Oct 2013 #63
Mike McIntyre MFrohike Oct 2013 #65
Five hundred and Twenty Three. mwooldri Oct 2013 #116
Yep MFrohike Oct 2013 #132
More evidence that the Democratic Party leadership has been taken over by conservatives. Scuba Oct 2013 #68
One corporate party, two faces. nt woo me with science Oct 2013 #103
... Scuba Oct 2013 #104
Remember if you donate to the DNC these nitwits will most likely get part of it. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #71
Okay I am confused as to the rationale. dkf Oct 2013 #76
I'm sure there are pork barrel government contracts in their districts on the chopping block Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #108
How can I count on my NY and my MN peeps? Loudly Oct 2013 #78
CAREERIST! There many people in public office who simply look at their positions as their careers. Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #81
What kind of Dem do you think will win in a conservative district? pnwmom Oct 2013 #88
the vote to shut down the government is extremely unpopular - it would have hardly been risky Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #92
I don't think it's a coincidence that the Dems ended up with pnwmom Oct 2013 #93
I understand that real politic does mean sometimes compromising one's principles - hell it doesn't Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #95
If their districts are so feverishly far right that they can't avoid joining ranks with the sedition TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #123
How is it a "betrayal" if Pelosi released them to vote in this matter, pnwmom Oct 2013 #89
How many of them up for relection in 2014? Rockyj Oct 2013 #105
Its the three from Minnesota and New York I don't get. How desperate for a job are they .... marble falls Oct 2013 #107
I tweeted Maloney........ Historic NY Oct 2013 #110
I am sure other Dems wanted to do the same but they aren't THAT stupid to actually do it. L0oniX Oct 2013 #112
Jim Matheson (DINO, Utah) Stainless Oct 2013 #115
They need to be primaried. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #119
was this procedural? and their votes would not have made a difference anyway? Sunlei Oct 2013 #120
I learned Maloney was a fraud when he ran for AG in NY Renew Deal Oct 2013 #121
why do you think they're called 'blue dog' Democrat? heaven05 Oct 2013 #124
wow. 2 from ny. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #142
They need to be 'punished' Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #144
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