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mentalsolstice

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238. So disgusting to read some responses here

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 06:59 PM

Oct 2013

However, given some of the things I've read here lately, I'm not surprised! I feel like I inadvertently took a hard right turn and landed in freeper land. So much "but what about my sensibilities?" And a pissing contest about who has it worse. Hopefully, none you will never know what it's like to rely on a service dog, wheelchair or full-time caregiver to accompany you wherever you go. And to suggest segregation, OMFG! So what if you show up with two non-disabled friends, or 5, or 10, 15...are you going to get turned away because you want to eat, drink, celebrate with too many friends.

I don't want to get in a pissing match about which group gets discriminated against the most or who encounters the most hurdles, but I'll give you a hint...

I will say a few responses were so predictable and not at all surprised at who made them.

Hepburn, I'm so sad you had to go through this!

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I am handicapped -- this morning Spires Restaurant in Torrance , CA, discriminated against me. [View all] Hepburn Oct 2013 OP

How disgusting. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #1

My friends and I went to Dennys and the manager there was a real doll. Hepburn Oct 2013 #4

service dogs kardonb Oct 2013 #158

To be fair, the service dogs are also better behaved mythology Oct 2013 #248

Thank you for the rec... Hepburn Oct 2013 #2

Never heard of this restaurant but have now and not in a good way. efhmc Oct 2013 #85

I would pass this incident by the ACLU, just to see what they say ... it might RKP5637 Oct 2013 #107

Which Spires? Hawthorne or Sepulveda? I'm guessing Hawthorne. Yelp links here: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #114

New Policy? More like a stupid over-reaction to Beverly Hills Bimbos and their purse dogs. haele Oct 2013 #141

I wouldn't expect anything different in Teabag Torrance. LoisB Oct 2013 #3

No shit... Hepburn Oct 2013 #5

And off to the Greatest Page for this important story! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #6

Thank you, Peggy... Hepburn Oct 2013 #10

Your disability didn't bother others, the dog did. Right? leftstreet Oct 2013 #7

I guess so... Hepburn Oct 2013 #14

No doubt leftstreet Oct 2013 #15

I could not go without the service dog... Hepburn Oct 2013 #21

But, would it be discriminating against someone with severe allergies to seat them ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #23

The person with expressed dog allergies wouldn't be forced to sit near the dog. pnwmom Oct 2013 #176

Correct. The ADA is very specific leftstreet Oct 2013 #28

Is overriding health regulations a good thing? Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #245

But maybe in in all cases? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #253

It might be a guard against those with allergies, Hepburn. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #18

Can I have separate seating to guard against nasty little children with infectious germs, and jtuck004 Oct 2013 #106

If you'd stop bringing your dog to the restaurant, you'd stop attracting children OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #113

I don't bring a dog. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #115

Well maybe you should so you can keep the children away! cui bono Oct 2013 #188

And whlie we are at it, put that rolling fire hazard in a wheel chair in the back of the bus, jtuck004 Oct 2013 #199

Agree. geardaddy Oct 2013 #116

I am allergic to bigoted people uppityperson Oct 2013 #153

Me too formercia Oct 2013 #227

While that sounds like a reasonable explanation, it's not in terms of ADA public accommodation. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #135

The link says everyone must be accommodated. MADem Oct 2013 #194

Read further down the page at your link. n/t Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #219

I read the whole thing. NT MADem Oct 2013 #234

Your link is very clear about isolating the handicapped with service animals fasttense Oct 2013 #213

PLUS, might separation protect the helper dogs from harrassment? Mimosa Oct 2013 #267

I've never heard of people being allergic to crutches jberryhill Oct 2013 #27

Have you ever seen someone being afraid of a person who looks different? Hepburn Oct 2013 #44

Being afraid and being allergic are two very different things quakerboy Oct 2013 #259

Most of the time, I never notice the dog but when I do and forget and start to pet I efhmc Oct 2013 #95

That's just a matter of wording whopis01 Oct 2013 #174

The assistant manager was an idiot. Find out who his/her boss is, and complain. MADem Oct 2013 #8

Agreed. Well said. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #13

Two things you can do nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #9

Any manager who uses "offended" and "segregated" should be fired on the spot... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #11

Wonder why people with allergies aren't asked to sit separately? mbperrin Oct 2013 #137

And if they were... pipi_k Oct 2013 #150

As a horrifically allergic person... DeadLetterOffice Oct 2013 #222

That's precisely what I suggest - by choice. mbperrin Oct 2013 #243

Sounds like reasonable accommodations were made Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #12

Under both Cal State and Fed law... Hepburn Oct 2013 #16

But the issue is not the disability jberryhill Oct 2013 #22

Then the restaurant says that intaglio Oct 2013 #39

Isn't that exactly the point? tritsofme Oct 2013 #72

So no-one weating scent is allowed intaglio Oct 2013 #193

The patron with the allergy, of course. BodieTown Oct 2013 #87

Pfft cologne MattBaggins Oct 2013 #119

No shit. Whatever musky crap people are slathering themselves with now mbperrin Oct 2013 #138

The labels must read MattBaggins Oct 2013 #140

I'm beginning to think that's the case. AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #206

OK, here's the thing... pipi_k Oct 2013 #152

Most restaurants I've been to Mariana Oct 2013 #197

I see them all the time, and i don't live in a large city Rhythm Oct 2013 #207

Yes. Service dogs are protected under the law so the OP anneboleyn Oct 2013 #192

So should deaf people and blind people sit at the back of the bus? intaglio Oct 2013 #24

Inform them of the Americans with Disabilities Act Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #17

The ADA also applies equally to liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #96

Were you refused seating and/or service? jberryhill Oct 2013 #19

Thank you. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #29

I have allergies -- severe ones -- to certain foods and perfumes. Hepburn Oct 2013 #30

So someone disabled by an allergy has to move? jberryhill Oct 2013 #35

Apparently some disabilities are more important than others... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #43

They do MattBaggins Oct 2013 #124

A person with a service dog should be able to sit wherever they please. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #56

Why should the person with an allergy liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #83

If someone has an allergy...then of course reasonable accommodations should be made. Hepburn Oct 2013 #102

Because preemptively segregating someone based on their disability is discriminatory suffragette Oct 2013 #109

Because it makes more sense to move a person with allergies MattBaggins Oct 2013 #127

They shouldn't. It is not legal for either to have preference. The law says to accommodate both. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #178

You have it exactly right, NYC SKIP kcr Oct 2013 #181

Well said and precisely so, NYC SKP suffragette Oct 2013 #182

exactly right Vattel Oct 2013 #147

An allergy to something you can generally avoid and might yet occasionally kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #63

Asthma and severe allergies are considered a disability under the ADA, kes. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #79

People with asthma simply have to accept that allergens exist in the world, kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #88

Both need to be accommodated under the ADA. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #92

I have and when this problem arose in the past with the same Spires, I went to the home office and.. Hepburn Oct 2013 #110

I have the same response to cats...and cat owners. Hepburn Oct 2013 #93

Yes MattBaggins Oct 2013 #122

It is indeed, separate yet equal. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #221

Maybe they should have a separate area. Or put up warning signs like many places do about efhmc Oct 2013 #99

Start with giving god-awful reviews: Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #20

Others need to know... State the Obvious Oct 2013 #25

Yes... Hepburn Oct 2013 #34

Some of us are allergic to dogs OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #26

+1 ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #31

How about a wheelchair only section of the restaurant...??? Hepburn Oct 2013 #32

Are people severely allergic to wheelchairs? To the point where they end up hospitalized? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #36

The policy violates the ADA as well as Calif law... Hepburn Oct 2013 #40

The policy would violate the ADA if you were not allowed to eat in the restaurant ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #45

No..........any SEGREGATION of anyone disabled is against the law. PERIOD. Hepburn Oct 2013 #52

Here you go... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #54

Hint word "BOTH"...not just the one with the service animal is to be segregated. Hepburn Oct 2013 #59

It also means not just the one with the allergy should be segregated. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #76

You really don't get it, do you? Hepburn Oct 2013 #80

Some of us get asthma because of your dog. OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #86

I wouldn't bother trying to explain liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #101

As my grandma would say "It all depends on whose ox is gored." OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #108

Thanks! OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #75

You are misinterpreting that MattBaggins Oct 2013 #132

That's a reference to living or work arrangements where both parties have a chronic issue. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #142

Yes it is, MattBaggins Oct 2013 #131

So the right to have a service dog trumps the right of someone not to have an asthma attack? OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #74

No it is not reasonable to segregate them MattBaggins Oct 2013 #136

So what if pipi_k Oct 2013 #170

They can ask if anyone with a service dog has sat at that table since it was cleaned. kcr Oct 2013 #184

There are wheelchair spots in stadiums, theaters, airplanes and trains jberryhill Oct 2013 #38

How about you try being more liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #94

Yes it is. Allergy to something you might occasionally encounter or kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #66

They segregate peanut allergy sufferers in my kid's school, and have nut free zones. OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #82

A school is not a restaurant, in case you were having trouble with that concept. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #91

I have no problem with the concept OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #104

I don't get anaphylaxis from my allergies. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #97

I do get, on rare occasions, anaphylaxis from my allergies OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #100

I think offended was the wrong word to use. alphafemale Oct 2013 #33

So.........all disabled people are segreated instead??? Hepburn Oct 2013 #37

So just those that are severely allergic to dogs should be segregated. Gotcha. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #47

No...NO ONE should be segregated because of ANY disability. Hepburn Oct 2013 #49

That's rather rude, Hepburn. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #53

Your very own link proves you wrong, I'm afraid: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #62

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2013 #98

The fact that the manager tried to tblue37 Oct 2013 #244

Why the hell should my husband with allergies liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #105

He doesn't have to move. He does have to notify restaurant staff of his need for accommodation Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #145

Great info, Gormy suffragette Oct 2013 #166

Bingo! Hepburn Oct 2013 #171

They could just give protective suits to wear-- snooper2 Oct 2013 #230

What happens when 3 people with service animals visit in one day? joeglow3 Oct 2013 #224

Wow... Hepburn Oct 2013 #163

Some of the responses to you in this thread really have me shaking my head. kcr Oct 2013 #189

exactly what I was thinking TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #200

A lot fo people are really afraid of dogs. A lot of people find them dirty. A lot of people love robinlynne Oct 2013 #50

Some consider dogs to be "unclean" in a religious sense. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #103

Those who are phobic? MattBaggins Oct 2013 #139

Because mental health issues aren't real? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #249

Nice try MattBaggins Oct 2013 #256

Same to you. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #260

Offended by having a DOG in a restaurant??? elleng Oct 2013 #41

I've been to Europe and I found all the damn dogs annoying. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #254

Was responding to OP, elleng Oct 2013 #257

Wanting to have your dog in the restaurant with you does not mean you are entitled to that either. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #262

This is against the law suffragette Oct 2013 #42

Hug back... Hepburn Oct 2013 #48

What they did was wrong suffragette Oct 2013 #61

Thank you for the info... Hepburn Oct 2013 #70

You are correct. They can not ask you that. suffragette Oct 2013 #89

I'm sorry for your experience. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #46

If someone needs extra time to complete a college exam, they will likely find themselves kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #73

K/R. Don't let 'em get you down, Hepburn. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #51

Thanks... Hepburn Oct 2013 #55

Uh, I think there is one person and a person who is in charge Cleita Oct 2013 #57

Cleita, see post # 42 suffragette Oct 2013 #68

You are so right and I'm happy to see there is actually recourse. n/t Cleita Oct 2013 #121

Around here the biggest problem with having a service dog... Walk away Oct 2013 #58

Most people are pretty cool and ask if they can pet the dog... Hepburn Oct 2013 #60

All over Europe even the worst hehaved dogs are guests of honor... Walk away Oct 2013 #65

Why did this even come up? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #64

Because there may be people like my husband, who liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #111

What they did was wrong. Unless they KNEW that they already had seated a victim of alergies.... NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #118

But that's not what I'm getting at.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #198

It's touchy. What happens when disabilities overlap? Glassunion Oct 2013 #67

Easy. They have to accommodate both. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #77

Exactly. N/T Hepburn Oct 2013 #90

How about pipi_k Oct 2013 #187

I am allergic to perfume... Hepburn Oct 2013 #78

Hepburn, nobody is allergic to *all ingredients* in a scent Mimosa Oct 2013 #266

Doesn't the ADA frown upon this? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #69

Big time...and the fines for discrimination are HORRENDOUS! Hepburn Oct 2013 #84

And I want that for you as well. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #172

I live right here in Torrance. I think the asst. mngr. broke the law. That was very nirvana555 Oct 2013 #123

If they are seated and eating and someone asks, I have NO problem of going to another area. Hepburn Oct 2013 #167

Out of curiosity... Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #175

Not to be horribly rude, bu what happens to the patron with a severe glowing Oct 2013 #71

If someone has an extreme allergy... Hepburn Oct 2013 #81

I completely agree. glowing Oct 2013 #134

Fuck asthmatics, they don't count jberryhill Oct 2013 #190

Asthmatics and people with allergies Mariana Oct 2013 #212

Which is a dumb request if there are no dogs when they arrive jberryhill Oct 2013 #214

Not really. Someone with a service dog could come in Mariana Oct 2013 #217

Asthmatics are far more common than people with dogs Mimosa Oct 2013 #268

According to ADA, "Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing Emit Oct 2013 #112

I am sorry that happened to you gopiscrap Oct 2013 #117

I've very sorry you were treated that way LittleGirl Oct 2013 #120

Possibly a DU'er; greiner3 Oct 2013 #125

I am hearing impaired, via the military! Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #126

Unfortunate choice of words pipi_k Oct 2013 #128

Then those people can be asked to be seated elsewhere. kcr Oct 2013 #179

I HATE dining in a restaurant with a service dog ... Denninmi Oct 2013 #129

What an AWFUL place of business! obama2terms Oct 2013 #130

I have a question about this. cbayer Oct 2013 #133

I have severe difficulties with hearing things which are behind me. Hepburn Oct 2013 #157

Thank you so much for your very thoughtful response. It makes a lot of sense to me. cbayer Oct 2013 #162

Don't forget if you drop your keys of wallet. Walk away Oct 2013 #203

the city i grew up in barbtries Oct 2013 #143

This one is at Sepulveda and Western. Hepburn Oct 2013 #164

i know exactly where that is. barbtries Oct 2013 #195

I think guys sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #144

It seems to me that separation (NOT segregation) would accommodate both Cairycat Oct 2013 #146

Amen! N/T Hepburn Oct 2013 #161

kick Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #148

Spires is now on the SHIT LIST. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #149

Make ist simple.... every restuarant is on whistler162 Oct 2013 #232

That's pretty much the case for me anyway. DeSwiss Oct 2013 #237

I have not yet read the thread. I want to get some information Jenoch Oct 2013 #151

Not really... Hepburn Oct 2013 #159

It sounds like an area of a restaurant where I have ended up being seated many times, Jenoch Oct 2013 #169

I would love to see the list of rock Oct 2013 #154

I can understand being offended...that is one thing. Hepburn Oct 2013 #173

Why? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #250

Thought it obvious rock Oct 2013 #258

Wow, you've got a lot of publicizing to do! However, people who are offended by dogs in restaurantsa Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #263

What they did to you is pretty crappy. secondvariety Oct 2013 #155

This needs posted at Facebook. They would lose all their business except the offended asses. appleannie1 Oct 2013 #156

I don't have a facebook account...can someone do this for me? Hepburn Oct 2013 #160

Posted to my wall. There is a restaurant in PGH that does not allow children appleannie1 Oct 2013 #165

wow... Hepburn Oct 2013 #168

It has been a while. appleannie1 Oct 2013 #177

John and Catherine Hartakis... luvspeas Oct 2013 #180

Sadly, this thread seems to have descended into literal "pit bull at olive garden" territory Scootaloo Oct 2013 #183

People with asthma and animal allergies liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #239

An asthmatic or allergic person should inform the staff Mariana Oct 2013 #246

Is there anything identifying the dog as a service dog? wercal Oct 2013 #185

You should let the media know about this. Stinky The Clown Oct 2013 #186

I am going to play Devil's advocate here... Bennyboy Oct 2013 #191

Well, as someone who dislikes dogs, I would not go to a restaurant with dogs in them quinnox Oct 2013 #196

I pity you. mbperrin Oct 2013 #205

Why the pity? ajk2821 Oct 2013 #209

I believe that person is probably a dog lover, quinnox Oct 2013 #211

quinnox, I am personally pretty neutral when it LibDemAlways Oct 2013 #208

Yep, I know there are others quinnox Oct 2013 #210

Recently in a local deli restaurant LibDemAlways Oct 2013 #218

Great examples. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #252

Amen. We have a friend who is crazy about dogs and she gets offended whenever i move away from her Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #251

You and I must have been separated at birth. LibDemAlways Oct 2013 #255

Our first dog, when I was 3 or 4 was named Neutron by my dad. Supposedly I liked that dog. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #265

Holy cow, this is just evil TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #201

That's not discrimination against you. It's common courtesy for the remaining patrons. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2013 #202

This kind of discrimination has to break the law. Rhiannon12866 Oct 2013 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Oct 2013 #215

My dog has an answer for that Assistant Manager KurtNYC Oct 2013 #216

Several Minneapolis St. Paul restaurants with outdoor patio seating MineralMan Oct 2013 #220

Are you new to Torrance? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #223

A bit of drama here dont' you think? BellaLuna Oct 2013 #225

Exactly so. Mimosa Oct 2013 #269

You shall overcome Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #226

Which Spires were you at.. the one on Hawthorne or near Western? BellaLuna Oct 2013 #228

I'm sorry, Hepburn. Bertha Venation Oct 2013 #229

The manager was wrong, but... tavernier Oct 2013 #231

PATHETIC on the part of the restaurant management. alp227 Oct 2013 #233

Get a lawyer. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #235

That's ridiculous! Jamastiene Oct 2013 #236

So disgusting to read some responses here mentalsolstice Oct 2013 #238

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #240

Uh huh. Tell Frank hi. eom uppityperson Oct 2013 #241

Kick & recommended. William769 Oct 2013 #242

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #247

KNR. Illegal & unacceptable. DirkGently Oct 2013 #261

Who owns the restaurant? Mimosa Oct 2013 #264