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In reply to the discussion: Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)254. Today, ''Money trumps peace,'' as George W Bush said Feb. 14, 2007
Not one reporter had the guts to ask the election thieving, ENRON protecting, Wall Street bankster loving warmonger WTF he meant.
Jim Garrison on Fascism
Jim Garrison, Playboy Interview
Playboy, October, 1967
EXCERPT...
"What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in (the assassination of President Kennedy), is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.
I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security."
CONTINUED...
http://www.jfklancer.com/Garrison4.html
When JFK was president, he thought anything was possible: Going to the moon. Living in harmony and equality. Peace.
Jim Garrison on Fascism
Jim Garrison, Playboy Interview
Playboy, October, 1967
EXCERPT...
"What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in (the assassination of President Kennedy), is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.
I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security."
CONTINUED...
http://www.jfklancer.com/Garrison4.html
When JFK was president, he thought anything was possible: Going to the moon. Living in harmony and equality. Peace.
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Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters? [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2013
OP
Five years ago, DU2 had a pair of mammoth threads that I can longer access...
Octafish
Oct 2013
#169
Kick/Rec. Yes, it matters because of the word you used - truth. It's in ever increasingly short
NRaleighLiberal
Oct 2013
#6
No...thank YOU for what you are doing - and always do for us here...and for teaching me a new word!
NRaleighLiberal
Oct 2013
#191
Thanks, notadmblnd! People wonder why the USA tortures children, invades innocent countries...
Octafish
Oct 2013
#199
I imagine that to be the case for the under-educated who believe history is not relevant.
LanternWaste
Oct 2013
#139
Thanks for your POV, pscot. There are many CIA papers that bear direct relevance...
Octafish
Oct 2013
#202
JFK's Assassination was/is a watershed moment in our nation's history, it is of great importance.
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#13
Yes, it matters. But looking ahead Mother Nature is going to kick human ass. IT WILL BE UGLY.
hunter
Oct 2013
#15
When it comes to the disease, we must strike at the root -- the radical approach.
Octafish
Oct 2013
#231
Good posts rebutting the willing ignorance of the JFK CTists, but you may as well be shouting
stopbush
Oct 2013
#146
For many, and, on certain levels, I'd go as far as to say "most" if not all. As for the economy,
whathehell
Oct 2013
#91
Of course not. You're still young & immature enough to think calling us "old" is a debate strategy
whathehell
Oct 2013
#116
I'm pretty sure that, being in possession of all the academic information you have, in addition
whathehell
Oct 2013
#163
Sorry, Brad, unlike yourself, I'm not a man of any color -- I'm a female, like Juajen, who also
whathehell
Oct 2013
#227
What I meant by that is, it seems to be the moment when the other side decided to just start killing
stranger81
Oct 2013
#51
Exactly. All the same political actors benefited from each "lone nut" assassination.
villager
Oct 2013
#88
Superficially, no it wasn't. but there is a fundamental yes underlying that time.
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2013
#197
Exactly. I doubt the deniers have ever fired a shot, much less from elevation
Link Speed
Oct 2013
#22
2 shots out of 3 on a target ranging from less than 60 to less than 100 yards away?
Spider Jerusalem
Oct 2013
#105
Justice demands one ex-Secret Service Agent and one ex-FBI Agent testify before Congress...
Octafish
Oct 2013
#252
Interestingly enough I'm currently reading a book by L. Fletcher Prouty about the subject...
rwsanders
Oct 2013
#25
Thanks Octafish, that's the book I'm reading. So far it is very sad as it kind of picks up where...
rwsanders
Oct 2013
#251
Dismissing conspiracy theories about the assassination is not making light of the event. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Oct 2013
#41
And you do so in violation of the SOP for GD and the Terms of Service for DU.
Bolo Boffin
Oct 2013
#166
Correct. ALSO is the operative word. It was bigger than Oswald there was a likely conspiracy
avaistheone1
Oct 2013
#93
It was fifty years ago. It's a very cold case. The original investigation may indeed
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#46
I'm not a 'boomer' whatever that is, and it very much interests me. It is part of the history of
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#87
It most certainly is still relevant. You see how our country STILL won't speak to Cuba?
loudsue
Oct 2013
#70
I believe that open-minded persons never close the door. We know we are fed propaganda
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#72
considering how long it takes to get things declassified I would say it does still matter.
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2013
#76
We are on the threshold of a grand and open conspiracy to destroy Constitutional government.
gordianot
Oct 2013
#81
I think Lincoln's assassination IMO matters a great deal more than Kennedy's
Hippo_Tron
Oct 2013
#185
Michael Parenti: The JFK Assassination and the Gangster Nature of the State
Junkdrawer
Oct 2013
#119
Hoping for a great conference, looking forward to your comments on it. Rec. n/t
Judi Lynn
Oct 2013
#160
I think some of JFKs wish list like civil rights, programs for the poor
arely staircase
Oct 2013
#242
It matters as much as our Constitution due in part to its first establishment.
Festivito
Oct 2013
#186
JFK threw himself upon the broken barricade between democracy and the fascist national security stat
hedda_foil
Oct 2013
#229
I have traveled to almost every continent and one thing I have seen almost everywhere
DonRedwood
Oct 2013
#241
I now realize that Daniel Brandt's Name Base is back online-it's wonderfully easy to use-KICK
bobthedrummer
Oct 2013
#247
I am excited for you Octafish. I know you are going to enjoy this symposium.
avaistheone1
Oct 2013
#260