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SunSeeker

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69. It was not that close. There were 4 -5 spare GOP votes. These DINO's 7 were totally unnecessary.

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 11:14 PM

Oct 2013

GG's theory, per the article you cite, is that DINOs vote with the progressive Dems when there is no way the legislation will pass (single payer), but against them when their vote would get the progressive legislation passed (public option). In other words, they only reveal their betrayal when they have to, when their vote is necessary to block progressive legislation. The 7's vote here meant nothing towards the passage of the rule change. It would have passed easily without them. All it did was confirm them to be the DINOs many people already knew them to be.

Yes, there are Blue Dog Dems, but their numbers have dwindled since 2010. Other than these 7, I'm pretty proud of the House Dems for standing firm in this hostage situation. Chris Von Hollen is one of my favorite Dems. He really is there to protect the 99%. As is every Dem in the progressive caucus; they are not there playing the "same old game" as the Republicans.

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The Seven Lying Democrats That Betrayed Democracy, and Joined GOP on HR 368 to Deny Vote on Clean CR [View all] kpete Oct 2013 OP

Presumably Boehner could force another rule change to take control back from Cantor BlueStreak Oct 2013 #1

I'm sure it was a procedural thing melody Oct 2013 #16

They better have an excuse like that Jack Rabbit Oct 2013 #39

Thank you. These 7 should be called out for their subversion of democracy. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #2

They look like DINOs to me. nt SDjack Oct 2013 #7

Me too. nt silvershadow Oct 2013 #21

What does a DINO look like? Z_California Oct 2013 #40

Kinda scaly, from gray to orange. SDjack Oct 2013 #64

Like them. Fuddnik Oct 2013 #122

Very lizard-like. woo me with science Oct 2013 #130

That one from AZ no dino. He's a freshshit. Took the place of the one lonestarnot Oct 2013 #44

wth Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #94

tth lonestarnot Oct 2013 #96

Were you unable to recall Gifford's name or is there some sort of derision involved? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #97

Couldn't remember her name. Don't really like her either. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #98

OK, but why not focus on what she's done that you don't like rather than her being shot in the head? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #99

What has she done. Run around to gun shows and buy guns. We already lonestarnot Oct 2013 #100

Collin Peterson is the rep of my parent's district. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #134

They can't be that stupid, they knew what Cantor stood for and what would happen as a result. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #14

It makes no sense. There were already 221 GOP votes. Their votes weren't needed to pass it. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #20

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #51

those were the ones that were PAID for... CTyankee Oct 2013 #54

Because now the meme can be that both Dems and Republicans voted against a clean CR... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #72

So who "orchestrated/staged" the 7's votes? nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #79

What the wholly fuck do the assholes think Cha Oct 2013 #3

they're probably Sleepers. Whisp Oct 2013 #5

They weren't even needed. There were already 221 GOP votes; only 217 was needed to pass. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #24

Need to have your blood pressure raised? thecrow Oct 2013 #4

Ron Barber AZ-2 BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #6

Makes even less sense since Arizona expanded Medicaid. ProSense Oct 2013 #52

Colonel Sanders? nt Snotcicles Oct 2013 #57

Did they even know what they were voting for? Emit Oct 2013 #8

Collin Peterson MN AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #9

Viewed frequently as a Republican here. glinda Oct 2013 #18

Yep. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #111

Sean Patrick Maloney Baloney Emit Oct 2013 #10

"In addition, our military servicemen and servicewomen pangaia Oct 2013 #28

Teabaggers gone wild!!!!!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #47

Hope I didn't ruin your night. pangaia Oct 2013 #66

Why am I not surprised Collin Peterson is on that list? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #11

I expected to see Clown Peterson on that list of fools. Ugh. Owl Oct 2013 #101

WTF! Were they thinking! sheshe2 Oct 2013 #12

This should go viral. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13

And then their offices deluged with phone calls Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2013 #60

They may carry the "Democrat" name on the election ballot but INdemo Oct 2013 #15

But... But... But... We NEED these blue ball Democrats don't we? nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #17

@$$#0(e$ yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #19

Baka! is right. PeoViejo Oct 2013 #31

Honmaya Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #50

un, tabun yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #55

Barrow is a waste of skin. Trying to appease the Ga repukes who still hate him NightWatcher Oct 2013 #22

Give it up, John! trishtrash Oct 2013 #114

And again we are conned. The familiar "rotating villains" strategy. woo me with science Oct 2013 #23

But these 7 votes run counter to GG's "rotating villains" theory. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #27

No, it doesn't "run counter" at all. woo me with science Oct 2013 #36

It was not that close. There were 4 -5 spare GOP votes. These DINO's 7 were totally unnecessary. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #80

As per the unwritten rules for obligatory corporate Dem propaganda responses, woo me with science Oct 2013 #102

woa... I have to read this. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #106

If you spend time reading these for substance, you will be disappointed. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #131

What a diversionary, distorting reply, woo me with science Oct 2013 #133

You fail to cite one falsehood, despite paragraphs of trying. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #138

The propaganda will always be mystified at why Democrats betrayed us "this time." woo me with science Oct 2013 #140

Other than these 7, there have been remarkably few "betrayals" in this shutdown crisis. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #141

ohhh...thanks Sun. you may have just saved me some time. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #135

Nope. woo me with science Oct 2013 #137

Having been shown your GG theory isn't applicable here, you resort to personal attacks. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #117

Arguing that my accurate description of the *arguments* and *tactics* in your posts woo me with science Oct 2013 #136

Calling me a "corporate Dem" is a personal attack, is factually wrong and is bullying. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #139

I think *some* Dems voted against a clean CR... CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #73

Are you saying these 7 did it because they wanted to provide cover to Republicans? SunSeeker Oct 2013 #82

They probably did it because they come from red districts pnwmom Oct 2013 #84

Thanks. That mundane reality would explain it, but not excuse it. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #118

It's purple sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #127

Thanks for the info. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #128

None of these votes were needed so . . . so much for that theory. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #83

Excellent Post Z_California Oct 2013 #42

Excellent Analysis... 2banon Oct 2013 #59

A thanks from me too. Plucketeer Oct 2013 #62

Thanks for the great informative post. I had figured out about half of this, but GoneFishin Oct 2013 #67

K&R for exposure of criminals! Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #25

They are seven nobodies. Less than zero, given what they've done. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #26

These fuckers should be KICKED OUT of the party! DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #29

I live in John Barrow's district. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #30

Precisely why the Terms of Service need to be reworked. RC Oct 2013 #70

Perfect! L0oniX Oct 2013 #113

this post of yours... woo me with science Oct 2013 #143

ALERTING! bashing democrats only helps the GOP! KG Oct 2013 #32

Nah, that's apparently these seven reps' jobs. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #48

Interesting. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #33

And none of these votes affected the outcome. pnwmom Oct 2013 #35

Whole lotta speculation ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #37

Speculation, but educated speculation. pnwmom Oct 2013 #38

I'll just stick with speculation. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #46

Is there a single district in this nation which elected a Democrat yet supports a shutdown? Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #45

Barber won a tight race in AZ that will be even tighter next year sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #49

That's what I figured. And we wouldn't be in this mess pnwmom Oct 2013 #53

What do you mean 'Nancy Pelosi released them to vote'? They are sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #74

They are supposed to get re-elected. Depending on how red their district is, pnwmom Oct 2013 #75

Who says 'they are supposed to get reelected'??? The people are supposed to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #77

They are supposed to defeat the Rethug candidate. Do you disagree with that? pnwmom Oct 2013 #85

Yes. I disagree with that. Winning the next election should not be the end game. cui bono Oct 2013 #86

Those representatives did serve the public interest. They didn't threaten the vote result -- pnwmom Oct 2013 #87

Well, I truly believe they should vote for what is right. cui bono Oct 2013 #90

Dennis Kucinich fought with passion, but it didn't help him pnwmom Oct 2013 #91

But just think if everyone did it. It would be unstoppable. cui bono Oct 2013 #125

No, if we ran progressives like Kucinich in every conservative district pnwmom Oct 2013 #126

Who won that election? Who beat Dennis Kucinich? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #109

Representatives are elected to represent their districts sweetloukillbot Oct 2013 #129

what's with the 2 from new york ? is that a conservative area or something ? JI7 Oct 2013 #41

Barrow was my Representative when I lived in Athens. mac56 Oct 2013 #43

Well we know 7 Democrats to challenge Phlem Oct 2013 #56

SHAME ON THEM!!!!! calimary Oct 2013 #58

Thanks kpete for posting. red dog 1 Oct 2013 #61

red dog 1 kpete Oct 2013 #63

Mike McIntyre MFrohike Oct 2013 #65

Five hundred and Twenty Three. mwooldri Oct 2013 #116

Yep MFrohike Oct 2013 #132

More evidence that the Democratic Party leadership has been taken over by conservatives. Scuba Oct 2013 #68

One corporate party, two faces. nt woo me with science Oct 2013 #103

... Scuba Oct 2013 #104

Remember if you donate to the DNC these nitwits will most likely get part of it. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #71

Okay I am confused as to the rationale. dkf Oct 2013 #76

I'm sure there are pork barrel government contracts in their districts on the chopping block Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #108

How can I count on my NY and my MN peeps? Loudly Oct 2013 #78

CAREERIST! There many people in public office who simply look at their positions as their careers. Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #81

What kind of Dem do you think will win in a conservative district? pnwmom Oct 2013 #88

the vote to shut down the government is extremely unpopular - it would have hardly been risky Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #92

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Dems ended up with pnwmom Oct 2013 #93

I understand that real politic does mean sometimes compromising one's principles - hell it doesn't Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #95

If their districts are so feverishly far right that they can't avoid joining ranks with the sedition TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #123

How is it a "betrayal" if Pelosi released them to vote in this matter, pnwmom Oct 2013 #89

How many of them up for relection in 2014? Rockyj Oct 2013 #105

Its the three from Minnesota and New York I don't get. How desperate for a job are they .... marble falls Oct 2013 #107

I tweeted Maloney........ Historic NY Oct 2013 #110

I am sure other Dems wanted to do the same but they aren't THAT stupid to actually do it. L0oniX Oct 2013 #112

Jim Matheson (DINO, Utah) Stainless Oct 2013 #115

They need to be primaried. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #119

was this procedural? and their votes would not have made a difference anyway? Sunlei Oct 2013 #120

I learned Maloney was a fraud when he ran for AG in NY Renew Deal Oct 2013 #121

why do you think they're called 'blue dog' Democrat? heaven05 Oct 2013 #124

wow. 2 from ny. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #142

They need to be 'punished' Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2013 #144