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dballance

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Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:05 AM Oct 2013

So Lets Say Obama Ignores the Debt Ceiling Come Thursday [View all]

Let's imagine this scenario. It's Thursday and no resolution to the crisis comes along. Then on Friday Obama declares a state of emergency or declares under the 14th Amendment that we have to pay our debts and instructs Treasury to issue bonds despite the lack of approval from Congress. Remember, the debt ceiling limit is a law, the 14th Amendment is the Constitution. There is some grounds for ignoring the law in favor of the Constitution.

So, national and global financial crisis averted. Markets stabilize after plummeting in after-hours trading on Thursday. The GOP House is pissed for having their supposed bargaining chip taken away from them - ostensibly forever now. In retribution for saving the national economy and the global economy the Tea Bagger wing of the GOP House draws up articles of impeachment.

Would those go anywhere? Would Boehner allow them to proceed in the House? Would it actually be a gift to Obama because it could cause the coverage of those articles of impeachment to drag on well into the 2014 election cycle and keep in the national conscience the fact that the Tea Baggers are nuts? This isn't a stain on a dress here. It's the global economy.

I think it would be a gift to Obama and the Dems in the 2014 elections. People are already pissed at the GOP. Impeachment for saving the global economy when people already see the GOP as petulant children bent on only serving their party interestss just might not play well.

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It wouldn't avert a crisis, however. Gore1FL Oct 2013 #1
+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #3
we have to have a deal before default arrives, I agree steve2470 Oct 2013 #4
Good Point. /nt dballance Oct 2013 #5
I see your point. However, in the long run it may strengthen our bonds and credit rating, if pampango Oct 2013 #13
I'd rather them eliminate the debt ceiling altogether after a sweeping 2014 election. Gore1FL Oct 2013 #19
That would put us back where we were in 1917. Igel Oct 2013 #35
that's the whole point. grantcart Oct 2013 #29
yes, they'd go somewhere and yes, spineless blob of orange cali Oct 2013 #2
Any bonds Obama unilaterally issued would be worthless. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #6
Obama wouldn't be issuing the bonds, Treasury would. dballance Oct 2013 #9
Only congress can encumber new debt and that hasn't happened since we have neither a budget or CR Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #11
While the legal battle wages karadax Oct 2013 #14
I still think raising the debt limit should not be decided by the people who spent the money, it B Calm Oct 2013 #7
I agree, the old 1917 law has to be revised or repealed steve2470 Oct 2013 #8
I believe when that law was passed this sort of situation was never envisioned. dballance Oct 2013 #10
Denmark is the only other Democracy that has a debt ceiling. RC Oct 2013 #12
Congress hasn't even approved the spending. Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #16
Moot, huh? RC Oct 2013 #17
Because Congress hasn't approved the spending and Congress hasn't approved the debt limit increase Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #18
Maybe you ought to re-read my post again. RC Oct 2013 #20
Actually, no. BellaKos Oct 2013 #27
It hasn't, we still don't have a continuing resolution much less a budget Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #31
It's technical. BellaKos Oct 2013 #32
Mr. Market doesn't want those bonds Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #15
Yesterday Thom Hartmann said that the Feds could just forgive some of the debt klyon Oct 2013 #21
Mr. President order the fed to end this now. klyon Oct 2013 #22
It's better if it is ended legislatively. Gore1FL Oct 2013 #23
Legally the fed can do it, they do it all the time. klyon Oct 2013 #24
The long game dictates that Obama hold firm, honor debts and let impeachment drive the midterms. mattclearing Oct 2013 #25
It would cause a THIRD crisis warrenswil Oct 2013 #26
If the President doesn't do anything extraordinary, BellaKos Oct 2013 #28
Obama won't commit an impeachable offense. He will go through the Supreme Court berni_mccoy Oct 2013 #30
Let me ask you this Savannahmann Oct 2013 #33
Obama said that is something he will not do Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #34
any extracurricular involvement AT ALL breaks the system tillikum Oct 2013 #36
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