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Xyzse

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32. I don't know...

Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:18 AM

Oct 2013

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/15/234586988/liberal-columnist-doubts-parties-can-resolve-fundamental-differences

"Now the details of this deal will also matter to columnist Jonathan Chait of New York Magazine, he opposes adding any policy changes to a debt ceiling measure. Chaitt says it sets a bad precedent for future Congresses or for that matter future presidents."

Chait: If the president was more sociopathic or more able to feign sociopathy, then the President would get his way. This reordering of the political system would empower the more ruthless actors in the political system, which is the opposite of what we want.

I tend to agree that the debt ceiling should never be held hostage like this.
Those on the right that mention Obama voting against the debt ceiling before fail to realize that the Democrats DID NOT block the debt ceiling and let it go through. It was just was a means to mention how Bush has badly mismanaged spending.

Holding the whole world economy hostage this way is idiotic and damaging.

What they have done is set a bad precedent which would only get worse with time, if they allow the Republicans to get even some of what they want right now. I mean, now I am seeing Paul Ryan using this for morality issues such as abortion, which is in no way related to this issue. No, not allowed, too much is at stake this time.

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ahem...Let's Not Complain About The Size Of The Rout [View all] kpete Oct 2013 OP

The "deal" doesn't do much of anything except postpone. dkf Oct 2013 #1

On the positive side it does become more difficult for the Republicans to play the same Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #4

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Oct 2013 #22

... Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #35

A rather expensive ass hand off, who's going to be responsible for that debt? lonestarnot Oct 2013 #23

The United States will still be responsible for its' debt but the debt ceiling has become nothing Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #36

Republicans can only be hurt further by another shutdown in an election year. X_Digger Oct 2013 #5

This needs to end now. A lot more people than many think are being affected by shutdown/debt. Dawgs Oct 2013 #25

Agreed, it needs to end. X_Digger Oct 2013 #34

that's what I was thinking gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9

I am so sick of this. I don't think any incumbent will benefit. dkf Oct 2013 #10

Work for a Democratic-Controlled Congress in 2014. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #14

I've already got Democratic controlled everything in my state. dkf Oct 2013 #15

Me too, pretty much. And man if it isn't exactly the way I want it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #16

Our health care law is eons better than the ACA. dkf Oct 2013 #17

I suspect he did. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #18

That's great. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #31

God I hope the electorate can make the distinction between what gopiscrap Oct 2013 #21

They LOSE. They Get NOTHING. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #13

Not YOU, but WE, if they don't avoid this. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #27

I think you couldn't be more wrong.... Adrahil Oct 2013 #29

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #2

I agree, my dear kpete. K&R n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #3

More like kicking the can down the road Hutzpa Oct 2013 #6

As far as budgets and debt ceilings go, there will ALWAYS be another can down the road to kick.... phleshdef Oct 2013 #20

Unfortunately the Republicans still hold the gun. The Democrats have no choice but to give in some. Dawgs Oct 2013 #26

A fight that devastates the Republicans in the polls every 6 months? jeff47 Oct 2013 #33

Interesting Hutzpa Oct 2013 #38

I worry about the size of the excrement sandwich hfojvt Oct 2013 #7

I'd rather the Dems have stepped on the teahadist's throats. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #8

But can we rub "unconditional surrender" in Boehner's face? world wide wally Oct 2013 #11

Sure, but only if it's orange. merrily Oct 2013 #12

I don't think Boehner will put anything up for a vote. ffr Oct 2013 #19

I suspect you are right. In which case the question is not "is the deal good for the country or pampango Oct 2013 #24

Rout? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #28

Gettysburg zipplewrath Oct 2013 #30

I don't know... Xyzse Oct 2013 #32

I'd be happier if the next debt/shutdown/ceiling debacle bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #37

Isn't this just speculation? Or is this what the GOP's last offer was? I don't get it. freshwest Oct 2013 #39