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77. New York State was said to have a slave system that was just as bad.

Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:46 AM

Oct 2013

Isn't that where that former slave had been held captive? Sojourner Truth I think it was. And one day, while she was hard at work cooking dinner for everyone, her two little children ages 3 and 4 were spirited out the front door and she was never allowed even to ask where they had been taken, and she was expected to just keep workng cheerfully 16-18 hours a day as though nothing was wrong, and she NEVER found out what had happened to them although she kept trying after she had escaped. And when slaves grew too old to work, they were frequently put into little hastily built sheds out in the woods and left to die alone out there. And New York State has nightmarish winter weather sometimes.

And there were places down in Southern Illinois that held slaves and treated them fiendishly, as if they were cattle or something. And probably other things I haven't even heard about.

It has been decades since I read about these things, but they still give me chills when I think about them.

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What this is all about is that the majority of Southern whites won't accept non whites as equals [View all] coldmountain Oct 2013 OP

So why do they like Ted Cruz? dkf Oct 2013 #1

For the same reason they like George W Bush, Rubio and Ronald Raygun coldmountain Oct 2013 #2

So they like non whites if they agree with them. dkf Oct 2013 #3

Cruz IS white. How ridiculous to claim that someone who is latino cali Oct 2013 #14

Cruz is white Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #117

Cruz looks pretty damn "white" to me. Race and ethnicity are two different things. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #4

True loyalsister Oct 2013 #26

"I wonder if he has less sophisticated family who has been paid to go into hiding." nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #122

Some of the reddest areas of America aren't in the South Fumesucker Oct 2013 #5

Nice graphic BUT Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #7

Those population increases are largely in the metropolitan areas Fumesucker Oct 2013 #16

Thank you! Fawke Em Oct 2013 #38

They don't seem to be around to care. Sissyk Oct 2013 #52

^^^^ This ^^^^ cordelia Oct 2013 #63

The Plains are more conservative than the South Thirties Child Oct 2013 #68

you live in Atlanta same as me wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #94

Go to Bremen, Toccoa, Cumming, Elberton, Columbus, Cochran, Chester, Montrose, Valdosta coldmountain Oct 2013 #98

Mid 80s. Um, it's 2013. Things may have changed just a wee bit. cordelia Oct 2013 #100

I have been to all those places wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #111

I've always thought that regionalism and racism are kissing cousins if not twins. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #143

I live in the Atlanta area, actually just northwest of Atlanta. RebelOne Oct 2013 #108

over here in Norcross wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #121

Gwinnett County is one of the most diverse places in the United States,the rest of GA, not so much coldmountain Oct 2013 #134

Norcross high is very diverse wilt the stilt Oct 2013 #140

That's an interesting map gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9

It's an area map, not population weighted. Here's one that is. Country is more blue than red: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #12

And some of the reddest areas on that map aren't in the South either Fumesucker Oct 2013 #17

The facts of the map I linked doesn't get in the way of your point. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #20

I suppose I expect too much geographical knowledge of Americans Fumesucker Oct 2013 #21

Showing map is one way to get people to think more & increase geo-politico-demographic knowledge. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #22

THE RED ON THAT MAP SURE LOOKS PRETTY SOUTHERN TO ME! coldmountain Oct 2013 #49

you are losing your touch... snooper2 Oct 2013 #51

Please don't shout. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #55

JUST WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT MAP THAT DEVASTATINGLY MAKES MY POINT! coldmountain Oct 2013 #60

If everybody were as egoistical as you about their "point", there'd be nothing but shouting. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #62

I come out of advertising, caps are just differentiation to me, I don't see "shouting" as bad coldmountain Oct 2013 #80

Horseshit. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #150

Actually the deepest red seems to be Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #115

And to add to that 2naSalit Oct 2013 #119

Metro Atlanta has more votes than the western states you're complaining about coldmountain Oct 2013 #126

...and your point is? 2naSalit Oct 2013 #127

All those red areas out west don't have that much clout is the point+ Mormons coldmountain Oct 2013 #137

one non southern white (you could say orange) GOPer has the power to end this JI7 Oct 2013 #6

Metro Cincinnati is kind of Southern like Northern Virginia is now kind of Northern coldmountain Oct 2013 #53

You really think that's wise? LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #8

the op is factual. I just read a piece- can't remember where- cali Oct 2013 #15

It doesn't give all the facts. Besides, what are Democrats supposed to do, LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #32

That's cute rhetoric! The South boycotts me, so feel free to go save it yourself. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #36

Funny. My Southern city just gave gay couples the Fawke Em Oct 2013 #39

Cute rhetoric? Bullshit. cordelia Oct 2013 #43

people love their homes and families and friends more than strangers who hate them categorically carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #45

There's a lot of gay people in the South, but some people LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #59

Lesbian in NC here. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #65

I'm in Miss. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #83

I don't know how accurate this is, but some years back kentauros Oct 2013 #66

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #84

I'm not good with long-distance driving, kentauros Oct 2013 #90

Thank you. cordelia Oct 2013 #61

The world's silence rewards let alone allows Southern bigotry, institutional or informal coldmountain Oct 2013 #56

And there we have it -- the appeal to ban speech. This is who you are. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #92

So you see the Confederate and Nazi flags as speech? coldmountain Oct 2013 #109

Yes, of course. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #113

When whites are a minority someday, the Confederate flag will be banned as hate speech coldmountain Oct 2013 #156

And now you think nonwhites want to trash the first amendment aikoaiko Oct 2013 #160

Germany banned the Nazi flag and nowdays they're a better nation than this one, especially the South coldmountain Oct 2013 #161

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #30

Why would liberal white southerners by alienated? treestar Oct 2013 #42

I live in a very red area, and there is some racism, yes. But the kids are not, for the most part 1monster Oct 2013 #10

Precisely. Laelth Oct 2013 #24

The link below contains an article worth reading - and don't let the jtuck004 Oct 2013 #11

Cannot rec. Boycott would not get traction and would be counter-productive if it even did. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #13

Great. Another South hater. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #18

+1 Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #23

How about another naval blockade too.. karadax Oct 2013 #27

+1 AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #31

It's what they want though! Sissyk Oct 2013 #57

I don't know about the OP, but fuck the southerners who still worship the confederacy. madinmaryland Oct 2013 #136

I am white and I live in the South fasttense Oct 2013 #19

Correct. bemildred Oct 2013 #25

There is stiff segregation in the NORTH, which also has more low diversity counties HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #28

Facts?!, We don't need no stinking Facts! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #29

Another divisive and useless post. You've become quite tedious. cordelia Oct 2013 #33

I hear somewhere on the internet someone snapped a pic of him Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #46

Heard the same story RZM Oct 2013 #47

You'll never be happy with this country if... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #34

intermarriage, voting, and segregation data all undermine your thesis carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #35

Thanks for compiling this. cordelia Oct 2013 #44

You devastating help my case by listing the percentages by state of white voters for Obama coldmountain Oct 2013 #64

WHITES IN THE NORTHEAST VOTED 3 to 5 TIMES MORE FOR OBAMA THAN WHITES IN MS, GA, LA and AL! coldmountain Oct 2013 #110

WHAT STATE DO YOU CURRENTLY RESIDE? Phentex Oct 2013 #130

Getting fucking sick of the South bashing. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #37

Fucking right. Dawgs Oct 2013 #40

Many northern Republican politicians are more liberal than southern Democrat politicians coldmountain Oct 2013 #76

LOL. Scott Walker is such a big lib. Dawgs Oct 2013 #82

And Steve Cohen of Tennessee is a DINO... Fawke Em Oct 2013 #163

Getting mad at the haters and venting is good. kentauros Oct 2013 #41

Really? Can you defend that position? coldmountain Oct 2013 #70

I can't defend the original post, but you really don't have a great argument with ND. Dawgs Oct 2013 #86

North Dakota is in the Great Plains and with 1 congressman is close to irrelevant coldmountain Oct 2013 #146

So, ND is not in the South then? Dawgs Oct 2013 #151

People in Dakota thinks it's a great plains state that agrees with the ex-Confedracy a lot coldmountain Oct 2013 #154

Uh, the point is that it's not ONLY in the South, like you want to believe. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #159

Ok then. Get right on that RZM Oct 2013 #48

It's always interesting to see Sissyk Oct 2013 #50

Take out the "Southern". what state are you from, by the way? raccoon Oct 2013 #54

AMEN! my family is biracial and I can think of far worse places than the border states carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #58

Ohio and Michigan voted for Obama twice, Virginia is basically a Northern state now coldmountain Oct 2013 #67

Ask OH and MI how those Republican Governors are working out for them. Dawgs Oct 2013 #87

Martinsville, Danville, Roanoke, Lynchburg, Lexington, Radford are NOT northern cities carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #88

Southern Poverty Law Center map shows no lack of hate groups in the South Tx, Ga, Fla lead nation coldmountain Oct 2013 #74

You still haven't answered my question. nt raccoon Oct 2013 #81

"More" assholes doesn't mean a "vast majority" of assholes. moriah Oct 2013 #93

How do you explain this map? Jamastiene Oct 2013 #69

The more predominately African American counties a state has the more Republican the whites are coldmountain Oct 2013 #71

The majority of the African American population lives in the south. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #78

He/she can't/won't. cordelia Oct 2013 #72

No, WHAT this thread is about is coldmountain bashing the south again Glitterati Oct 2013 #73

And Jesse Jackson. Rachel Maddow the New Republic, Salon, Daily Kos, Alternet, Slate, etc coldmountain Oct 2013 #91

Like I said, just more coldmountain south bashing Glitterati Oct 2013 #95

When you start tossing around words like enlightenment Oct 2013 #75

We have the Confedrate flag being waved at the gates of the White House with a black family inside! coldmountain Oct 2013 #99

Yes, enlightenment Oct 2013 #104

New York State was said to have a slave system that was just as bad. raging moderate Oct 2013 #77

New York whites voted 4 times more for Obama than Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana or Alabama whites coldmountain Oct 2013 #114

Well, duh. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #79

and you have met the majority Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #85

When you have proof it's a "vast majority", I'll accept your apology. moriah Oct 2013 #89

I lived in the South and North for almost 30 years each and have heard the whites talking coldmountain Oct 2013 #96

You sound as bigoted as some of those people at another cordelia Oct 2013 #103

Hey, I actually have many Southern friends from allover and most agree with me about Southern racism coldmountain Oct 2013 #147

And I grew up in Arkansas, in Little Rock, and went to Central High. moriah Oct 2013 #116

Look at these numbers of whites by state who voted for Obama coldmountain Oct 2013 #106

Now, let's see numbers for Southern whites who voted for Kerry.... moriah Oct 2013 #118

Pretty damning of Southern racism isn't it? It went backward in 2012 didn't it? coldmountain Oct 2013 #125

Still, that's not saying the "vast majority" are racists. moriah Oct 2013 #138

I, for one, thank you for trying, moriah. Sissyk Oct 2013 #142

I see almost solid South waving the Confederate flag and having "massive resistance" against Obama coldmountain Oct 2013 #149

"...it's time to take our country back from the Confederates." Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #97

I don't think the majority of southern whites are racists as you claim. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #101

Here is some very striking visual evidence that it's an AMERICAN problem carolinayellowdog Oct 2013 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author coldmountain Oct 2013 #107

Using tweets would be biased against the technology impaired, not a good representation coldmountain Oct 2013 #135

There is no reference YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #129

I suspect it's more about a loud-mouthed minority of Southern whites - maybe as much as a quarter - haele Oct 2013 #102

Southern whites voted 2 to 5 times less for Obama than northern whites did! This is a fact! coldmountain Oct 2013 #112

Where is the Democratic Party's responsibility in that? Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #120

The South abandoned the Democratic party out of racism! coldmountain Oct 2013 #123

The historical record shows that it took an awfully long time for Southern whites... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #128

Thats because they had Democrats like George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Zell Miller to vote for coldmountain Oct 2013 #131

Not where I live, pal klook Oct 2013 #139

I met John Lewsi at the Picadilly at Ansley Mall coldmountain Oct 2013 #145

Cool - so here's a crazy idea... klook Oct 2013 #152

I tried that for a long time. The only thing that will work is demographics and boycotting coldmountain Oct 2013 #157

Was that much worse than John Kerry's vote among southern whites? Stay calm buddy Oct 2013 #144

You are very wrong if you think this is merely a "Southern" problem... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #124

From the founding fathers to Obama,the South has had a different relationship with African Americans coldmountain Oct 2013 #133

Can anyone deny America will be a better place when whites are a minority in the South? coldmountain Oct 2013 #158

Gong on you.... ileus Oct 2013 #132

"they wave the Confederate flag in front of the Obama White House" Stay calm buddy Oct 2013 #141

I DARE ALL YOU SOUTH DEFENDERS TO GO INTO A SMALL TOWN SOUTHERN BAR AND SAY GOOD THINKS ABOUT OBAMA! coldmountain Oct 2013 #148

I live in the South and think the OP Redford Oct 2013 #153

Northern state whites voted for Obama 3 times more than Southern state whites. EXPLAIN THAT? coldmountain Oct 2013 #155

I guess you haven't spent much time in western Pennsylvania lately. blue neen Oct 2013 #162