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humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
56. TOTALLY CONFUSED
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 10:51 AM
Oct 2013

After reading this thread, I hear both optimistic and pessimistic tones toward the ACA itself as well as the predictable website issues. If I am not mistaken the entire ACA will collapse if the young workers 20-40 age group fail to sign up/pay for their plans as required. You would think someone would have already put the burden on employers to retain the healthcare coverage premiums from each paycheck i.e. like Medicare is now. Additionally, is anyone getting a raise to help them pay? Yes I understand their is tax incentives to this in form of tax credits for lower income groups but in the end you are still forking over some money each month, my fear is many just won't pay for it unless it is retained from their checks i.e. tax system.

Who is going to make that group pay? A fear of some penalty that really amounts to much less than the plans coverage plus copays/deductibles... that won't work.... Just like the big corporations are going to cut hours to dump people into exchanges that they will still have to pay for and then the corp pays some miniscule fine instead of the cost of the plans....

The incentives in this plan are just not there.... Young people are not going to fork over income that they just don't have to pay for a program that in their mind they just don't need at this point in their life....

and there is a coming effort on the right to force a populist tax reform that sets a standard fair tax rate..... If that ever happened the subsidies in the ACA would fail to produce a cost savings for lower income people.

Wrap all that around a continuing effort by one political party to destroy the ACA and I start to lean toward the pessimistic side of the issue.

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ACA will be fine. I am not worried about it at this stage. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #1
I honestly don't know enough to know if it will be OK or not cali Oct 2013 #2
My hope, of course, is that the ACA fails. Laelth Oct 2013 #4
If ACA fails, nothing will replace it.... brooklynite Oct 2013 #8
I disagree. Laelth Oct 2013 #16
Thanks for repeating the republican New ACA Talking Points Ezra. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #3
Predictable. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #6
what's predictable. do tell. cali Oct 2013 #17
That criticizing the ACA/roll out=pushing republican talking points. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #21
Yep. certain people call ALL criticism cali Oct 2013 #22
I was actually trained on it. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #31
+100 nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #92
No cali, when I wake up and the morning noise is whargarbbling exactly the same noise Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #112
Web sites crashing due to customer overload is common, and indicative of successful marketing. Zen Democrat Oct 2013 #32
I question your premise wercal Oct 2013 #40
Bingo. Scuba Oct 2013 #7
Separation of Corporation and State in your signature. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #11
Hardly. Scuba Oct 2013 #13
Absolutely Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #14
got any actual analysis that refutes what Klein points out cali Oct 2013 #10
I can't refute rumors. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #44
Someone stating their opinion as fact on a host called "wonkblog" does not deserve a refute tjwash Oct 2013 #52
Ezra Klein is one of the most astute thinkers we've got right now beerandjesus Oct 2013 #77
hits aren't the problem cvoogt Oct 2013 #20
Yep. But if you're desperate to make the president's signature bill appear like a failure BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #38
It's important to have a hobby. grantcart Oct 2013 #74
Yes, Ezra Klein. One of the biggest Obamacare cheerleaders NoOneMan Oct 2013 #103
Well, we are labeled things for criticizing Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #5
I suspect the responses to this thread will be boringly predictable Fumesucker Oct 2013 #9
I don't have a clue. I'll freely admit that. but I'll be double damned cali Oct 2013 #12
the roll-out is only part one of what could be a HUGE backlash ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #15
Better to go bankrupt for ten grand than a million Fumesucker Oct 2013 #23
"a lot of us"??? ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #29
I'd much prefer to go BK on the larger number- kenny blankenship Oct 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #64
This place seems to be attracting more strident humorless pet rocks. kenny blankenship Oct 2013 #67
I like the pet rock analogy /nt lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #61
and i agree there are some good things about it... ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #71
If you don't go for gold or platinum, you will be screwed duffyduff Oct 2013 #70
I agree with the first part of your post Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #107
Aren't you glad... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #53
The trouble with the web site will be JoePhilly Oct 2013 #18
Yep exactly. BenzoDia Oct 2013 #19
that's not the only point- or fact- in the article. cali Oct 2013 #24
Yea, it is pretty much. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #26
Servers overwhelmed, computer glitches . . . brush Oct 2013 #25
didn’t i just recently read that the launch left is right Oct 2013 #27
As a gamer... Veilex Oct 2013 #76
No online game has been launched without some issues.. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #79
And this isn't a game. B2G Oct 2013 #81
Exactly. SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #83
Where in my post did you see claim it was a game? Veilex Oct 2013 #124
True... Veilex Oct 2013 #123
Paul Krugman doesn't think it's been a disaster. pnwmom Oct 2013 #28
Here's a criticism I haven't seen discussed on DU: narrowing coverage BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #30
While somewhat true Sgent Oct 2013 #113
Are you aware that the problems seem to be in the states who aren't accepting Medicaid funds? Zen Democrat Oct 2013 #33
Apparently these folks haven't seen very many large tech rollouts. Adrahil Oct 2013 #34
I've been involved with hundreds... trumad Oct 2013 #35
IIRC, the space program had, in its earliest days, some very public disasters... CTyankee Oct 2013 #39
So have I and none have been 'perfect', but B2G Oct 2013 #42
Disasters drummed up by the right wing trumad Oct 2013 #58
Head in sand B2G Oct 2013 #62
better than head in a bubble. trumad Oct 2013 #78
I agree with you... Veilex Oct 2013 #82
... to that point, though ... Myrina Oct 2013 #41
You missed my point.... those things cost money. Adrahil Oct 2013 #50
Haven't they spent like 600 million so far? B2G Oct 2013 #63
Wait wait wait... hold on a sec... Veilex Oct 2013 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #45
Does Max Baucus have a new job yet solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #36
Steve Benen mentions Klein's piece, but ProSense Oct 2013 #37
I assume that the shutdown is responsible Waiting For Everyman Oct 2013 #43
A couple decades ago at Digital Equipment, we were forced to convert to MS Outlook, magical thyme Oct 2013 #46
Exactly Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #60
Just for the sake of clarity... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #47
K&R Veilex Oct 2013 #85
Medicare Part D is broadly considered a success? progressoid Oct 2013 #48
A sincere question for the IT people who are downplaying the problems. Jim Lane Oct 2013 #49
Most federal IT workers are furloughed... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #51
That is just not true B2G Oct 2013 #66
Been told by whom? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #72
By Obama, Sebelius, Carney, to name a few. nt B2G Oct 2013 #75
Health & Human Services has responsibility for www.healthcare.gov Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #89
This was outsourced B2G Oct 2013 #90
Because contractors are FAMOUS for their willingness to work without being paid... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #91
Do you think it possible that some Republicans are using the shut-down hedgehog Oct 2013 #94
I don't think it's intentional... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #96
I was thinking more along the lines of serendipity - hedgehog Oct 2013 #97
Yes. Something like that (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #99
umm, they've already *been* paid Psephos Oct 2013 #101
Umm, and you know this how? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #108
Facepalm. Psephos Oct 2013 #109
This is not a copy of their contract... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #115
yet you *didn't* post the contract, the source of your expertise? Psephos Oct 2013 #117
Yeah... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #118
I accept your concession. n/t Psephos Oct 2013 #125
"they would just pull the plug until they were back" Veilex Oct 2013 #86
Point was the IT folks trying to fix this aren't furloughed. B2G Oct 2013 #88
It's already an indication of failure B2G Oct 2013 #65
Judging by Social Security, I would say the problems won't be going away anytime soon. ieoeja Oct 2013 #114
I have yet to receive any official government notification of compulsory enrollment. L0oniX Oct 2013 #54
TOTALLY CONFUSED humbled_opinion Oct 2013 #56
Fuck the washington post. This is just repuke regurgitation. lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #57
I really don't heaven05 Oct 2013 #59
It's not about "hating Obama". Obama was against Obamacare when he was running solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #120
yeah, yeah on mind change, everyone does it. heaven05 Oct 2013 #121
Have you ever played a massively multi-player Online game (MMO)? Veilex Oct 2013 #73
This is no longer "the first day". bvar22 Oct 2013 #100
deep doo doo spanone Oct 2013 #80
Carrying water IS honest labor... MineralMan Oct 2013 #87
odd the bugs. before opening day the site was very searchable. what are the bugs does anyone know? Sunlei Oct 2013 #93
We rightly criticize Bush for his terrible handling of Katrina... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #95
Yes because web site issues and people fucking drowning for days is exactly the same thing. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #98
So you think there's no harm when people who could be covered aren't? Psephos Oct 2013 #102
I think there was MORE HARM before ACA so ACA is REDUCING HARM EVEN IF NOT PERFECT. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #105
Not perfect? Psephos Oct 2013 #110
That's what I call tens of thousands of people getting subsidized access to healthcare. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #111
you are contributing to its failure by providing cover Psephos Oct 2013 #116
Caught about five minutes of Rush this morning on the car radio Cleita Oct 2013 #104
And "democrats" are lining up, mindlessly or not, to join in the Greek Chorus. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #106
I don't see a need for concern over a slow start up Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #119
The only failure is it wasn't Medicare for ALL. mstinamotorcity2 Oct 2013 #122
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