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Uncle Joe

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36. The United States will still be responsible for its' debt but the debt ceiling has become nothing
Tue Oct 15, 2013, 11:59 AM
Oct 2013

but a political football, it's a game.

The United States and Denmark are the only two Constitutional Nations that have a debt ceiling and other nations seem to be getting along just fine without one.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_ceiling

The United States and Denmark are the only constitutional countries to have legislative restrictions on the incurring of public debt. The Danish debt ceiling is, however, mainly a formality and follows the budgeting and expenditure process and provides ample latitude for unforeseen deficits. It has never created the periodic crises as has the American.[2]

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A vote to increase the debt ceiling is usually seen as a formality[by whom?], needed to continue spending that has already been approved previously by Congress and the President. Earlier reports to Congress from experts have repeatedly said that the debt limit is an ineffective means to restrain the growth of debt.[6] James Surowiecki argues that the debt ceiling originally served a useful purpose. When introduced, the President had stronger authority to borrow and spend as he pleased; however, after 1974, Congress began passing comprehensive budget resolutions that specify exactly how much money the government can spend.[7] The apparent redundancy of the debt ceiling has led to suggestions that it should be abolished altogether.[25][26]

A January 2013 poll of a panel of highly regarded economists found that 84% agreed or strongly agreed that, since Congress already approves spending and taxation, "a separate debt ceiling that has to be increased periodically creates unneeded uncertainty and can potentially lead to worse fiscal outcomes." Only one member of the panel, Luigi Zingales, disagreed with the statement.[27]



The Obama Administration should challenge the debt ceiling as being in violation of the 14th Amendment especially as Republicans have threatened not to raise it, potentially causing the United States to default on its' debt and obligations.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.



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The "deal" doesn't do much of anything except postpone. dkf Oct 2013 #1
On the positive side it does become more difficult for the Republicans to play the same Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #4
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Oct 2013 #22
... Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #35
A rather expensive ass hand off, who's going to be responsible for that debt? lonestarnot Oct 2013 #23
The United States will still be responsible for its' debt but the debt ceiling has become nothing Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #36
Republicans can only be hurt further by another shutdown in an election year. X_Digger Oct 2013 #5
This needs to end now. A lot more people than many think are being affected by shutdown/debt. Dawgs Oct 2013 #25
Agreed, it needs to end. X_Digger Oct 2013 #34
that's what I was thinking gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9
I am so sick of this. I don't think any incumbent will benefit. dkf Oct 2013 #10
Work for a Democratic-Controlled Congress in 2014. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #14
I've already got Democratic controlled everything in my state. dkf Oct 2013 #15
Me too, pretty much. And man if it isn't exactly the way I want it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #16
Our health care law is eons better than the ACA. dkf Oct 2013 #17
I suspect he did. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #18
That's great. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #31
God I hope the electorate can make the distinction between what gopiscrap Oct 2013 #21
They LOSE. They Get NOTHING. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #13
Not YOU, but WE, if they don't avoid this. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #27
I think you couldn't be more wrong.... Adrahil Oct 2013 #29
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #2
I agree, my dear kpete. K&R n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #3
More like kicking the can down the road Hutzpa Oct 2013 #6
As far as budgets and debt ceilings go, there will ALWAYS be another can down the road to kick.... phleshdef Oct 2013 #20
Unfortunately the Republicans still hold the gun. The Democrats have no choice but to give in some. Dawgs Oct 2013 #26
A fight that devastates the Republicans in the polls every 6 months? jeff47 Oct 2013 #33
Interesting Hutzpa Oct 2013 #38
I worry about the size of the excrement sandwich hfojvt Oct 2013 #7
I'd rather the Dems have stepped on the teahadist's throats. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #8
But can we rub "unconditional surrender" in Boehner's face? world wide wally Oct 2013 #11
Sure, but only if it's orange. merrily Oct 2013 #12
I don't think Boehner will put anything up for a vote. ffr Oct 2013 #19
I suspect you are right. In which case the question is not "is the deal good for the country or pampango Oct 2013 #24
Rout? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #28
Gettysburg zipplewrath Oct 2013 #30
I don't know... Xyzse Oct 2013 #32
I'd be happier if the next debt/shutdown/ceiling debacle bucolic_frolic Oct 2013 #37
Isn't this just speculation? Or is this what the GOP's last offer was? I don't get it. freshwest Oct 2013 #39
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