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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. Here's a clue
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:54 PM
Oct 2013

from the Senator in your avatar



The Week in Review

The government shutdown dragged into a second week. A growing majority of Democrats and about 20 Republicans in the House favor a Senate-passed resolution to reopen the government, but Speaker John Boehner refused to bring the resolution up for a vote. When House Republicans first forced a shutdown on Oct. 1, they were demanding the defunding of Obamacare as part of any deal. That would be a death sentence for thousands of Americans without health insurance, Sen. Bernie Sanders told a Senate hearing on Thursday. As the week wore on, Republicans shifted their rationale for closing the government and defaulting on the country’s debts. Now they demand deep cuts in Social Security and other programs. The whole spectacle drove public approval of Congress, especially Republicans and the Tea Party, to new lows. As Sanders sized up the situation in a Friday floor speech, he began by citing a piece in The Onion. “Psychiatrists Deeply Concerned for 5% of Americans Who Approve of Congress,” the headline said.

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Obamacare “How many people will die if the Affordable Care Act is repealed?” Sanders asked at a hearing he chaired Thursday on what would happen if Obamacare is repealed. The hearing came on the 10th day of a government shutdown forced by House Republicans insisting that any deal to reopen the government defund the health care law. Watch excerpts from the hearing, Read Greg Kaufmann’s piece in The Nation

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http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/the-week-in-review-101113


This Week in Poverty: What ‘Defunding Obamacare’ Really Means

Greg Kaufmann

When the fate of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was in question, independent Senator Bernie Sanders was no easy “yea” vote.

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In the end, Sanders helped to pass the ACA—legislation that Republicans are now so desperate to repeal that they have shut down the government and put the full faith and credit of the US in jeopardy...He noted that “we are (still) the only country in the industrialized world that doesn’t guarantee healthcare to people as a right.” As a result, there are 48 million Americans without health insurance. Under the ACA, 20 million currently uninsured people will finally receive coverage (more if GOP governors get out of the way) and thousands of lives will be saved every year...Sanders pointed to a Harvard study that estimates 45,000 people are dying each year from illnesses that arise due to a lack of health insurance....“For all of those folks saying we have to repeal the Affordable Care Act, what they are doing is passing a death sentence on many of our fellow Americans.”

Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, a nonprofit organization that advocates for affordable healthcare for all Americans... used a “conservative” methodology—designed by the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine—to determine how many people between the ages of 25 and 64 died in 2010 due to a lack of health insurance.

“We found that approximately 26,100 people between the ages of 25 and 64 died prematurely due to a lack of health coverage that year,” said Pollack...this breaks down to 2,175 people dying every month, 502 every week, and seventy-two every day...between 2005 and 2010, it added up to 134,000 preventable deaths...That’s a number that resonates with Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who shared his personal experience with health being determined by coverage.

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“These deaths occur invisibly,” he said. “They occur one at a time, all over the place, and it doesn’t say in the obituary ‘died because of no healthcare.’ If it happened all in one town, at one time, we would be moving heaven and earth to solve this problem, if we lost anywhere from 26,000 to 45,000 (people) a year. If we lost the town of Augusta in one year, and the next year it was someplace in Colorado, or Vermont, this society would have dealt with this many, many years ago.”

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http://www.thenation.com/blog/176599/week-poverty-what-defunding-obamacare-really-means

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Signs of Real Victory [View all] RobertEarl Oct 2013 OP
Trumps Hutzpa Oct 2013 #1
You have to win the battles to win the war. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #2
Some people are happy if they can stomp all over any Democratic victory. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #4
Yet you're declaring a victory for teabaggers without ProSense Oct 2013 #3
+1 Kaleva Oct 2013 #5
You are deluded RobertEarl Oct 2013 #8
You're absurd ProSense Oct 2013 #10
Not sure someone with an avatar for a GOP healthcare plan should comment on what's lame. Dawgs Oct 2013 #19
Here's a clue ProSense Oct 2013 #27
Got it. You're partisan and blind. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #34
So you're not "partisan" if you're hyping this as teabagger win? ProSense Oct 2013 #39
Not sure you know what "partisan" means. Dawgs Oct 2013 #48
You are projecting RobertEarl Oct 2013 #21
No ProSense Oct 2013 #24
Lololol. Taking this awfully hard, aren't you? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #29
Wow. Talk about completely missing the point. Dawgs Oct 2013 #37
We have. We meet every Tuesday for "paid shill" coordination Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #41
Great. I hope it's less embarrassing than what you post here. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #44
Battle are only won when the objectives are met. Objectives were not met, hence, no win... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #92
+2 and... pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #9
+1 Raine1967 Oct 2013 #11
That offends you? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #15
You just called everyone who doesn't agree with you an enabler. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #23
You do understand? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #49
No, you talking to Duers like Ted Cruz talks to people is what's offending people nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #28
+1000 n/t Aerows Oct 2013 #47
No. Cruz does not offend moderates RobertEarl Oct 2013 #54
Did you really just write "Cruz does not offend moderates?" nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #64
Yes. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #69
I think you're starting to drift away from Cruz and towards Gohmert with that line. Better quit geek tragedy Oct 2013 #70
And Ghomert too RobertEarl Oct 2013 #73
Oh dear lord, is this sincere or performance art? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #76
I'm trying to figure that out as well. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #79
Stating that "Cruz does not offend moderates" renders you slightly less credible than Sarah Palin. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #78
Really? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #82
Right off the top of my head, Tom Davis, former Republican congressman from NOVA. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #85
RobertEarl didn't say "victory". He said they won THIS battle. Dawgs Oct 2013 #12
What is the substantive difference between a win and a victory? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #52
I'll give you an answer in a month when none of this will matter anymore. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #55
Which would be a victory. Kaleva Oct 2013 #60
Piss in your own Corn Flakes. Many of us prefer ours dry, or with milk. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #6
Or on our fried chicken Aerows Oct 2013 #50
*GASP* pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #58
Just kidding Aerows Oct 2013 #61
Oh, now you've done it! 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #74
LMAO n/t Aerows Oct 2013 #77
$10 Minimum wage is a MUST on my list. Dawgs Oct 2013 #7
Indeed. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #13
$25 minimum wage ProSense Oct 2013 #18
First of all, no one has surrendered yet. Dawgs Oct 2013 #25
Hahahaha! Funny funny stuff. Even outright capitulation doesn't do it Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #36
I give, since this is a game to you. What did Democrats get out of this? Dawgs Oct 2013 #42
The last whimper of legitimate opposition to Obamacare Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #46
Obamacare was NEVER going to be touched with Obama as President. Dawgs Oct 2013 #53
What the hell are you talking about? ProSense Oct 2013 #66
Read it loud and clear. n/t Dawgs Oct 2013 #80
Thanks, I've veen waiting for you to give me permission to celebrate. mulsh Oct 2013 #14
SS payments ARE keeping up with inflation. YaY! We won! Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #16
Great centrist view RobertEarl Oct 2013 #26
No, this is a rambling from a person who wants to create division. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #17
Division? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #33
You might want to look up the definition of straw man. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #45
I did RobertEarl Oct 2013 #57
Well. Ok. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #65
Eh? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #68
Nah, we should celebrate the victories just as we mourn the losses and move forward. nt LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #20
Your last sentence is a perfect impersonation of Ted Cruz and his geek tragedy Oct 2013 #22
You are projecting RobertEarl Oct 2013 #30
LMAO. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #35
You sound exactly like a teabagger,just exchange "left" sufrommich Oct 2013 #40
Such ugly slander from you! RobertEarl Oct 2013 #62
It seems like you're pissed that the teabaggers got their asses kicked ProSense Oct 2013 #43
Your slander is not helping RobertEarl Oct 2013 #59
I can understand. Still, it is good to take stock of little victories. Xyzse Oct 2013 #31
While I would love to see the things you list Beearewhyain Oct 2013 #32
Dude, no one here needs your permission to gloat.nt sufrommich Oct 2013 #38
No kidding. HappyMe Oct 2013 #51
When I see them I will gloat. Meanwhile... LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #56
I'm a leftist...I'd love to see the things you list here become reality deutsey Oct 2013 #63
RobertEarl, your OP is nothing but flame bait. Raine1967 Oct 2013 #67
Says a shit stirrer RobertEarl Oct 2013 #71
lol! HappyMe Oct 2013 #81
Crush the moderates, first RobertEarl Oct 2013 #83
Nope, I don't want any of that. HappyMe Oct 2013 #84
Don't want any of the OP? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #86
Good grief! HappyMe Oct 2013 #87
Answer RobertEarl Oct 2013 #89
Don't attack others here HappyMe Oct 2013 #93
Moderates are enablers RobertEarl Oct 2013 #94
Good luck with that. HappyMe Oct 2013 #95
You appear to be creating your own definitions and supporting evidence, basing both your premises an LanternWaste Oct 2013 #96
Many of these Democratic moderates/centrists in Washington Broward Oct 2013 #72
Yep RobertEarl Oct 2013 #75
Not waiting for your permission... lame54 Oct 2013 #88
Signs of an actual GOP defeat: Not achieving any of the specific goals originally set... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #90
What a f**kin downer! AZ Progressive Oct 2013 #91
You need to celebrate when you win DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #97
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