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Wed Oct 16, 2013, 05:05 PM Oct 2013

Scammed again by corporatists in both parties. [View all]

No, it's not a win. Let's not forget what really happens as a result of this deal. And let's not forget how we got here.

Let's remember this critical point made by DUer, cui bono:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395

But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget.


And let's repeat a post by leveymg that also explains what is really going on here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411

67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.

That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.

Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.



It has caused and will cause more pain to the 99 percent, and it never should have gone this far. The faux fiscal "crisis" should have been utterly rejected by a Democratic President TWO YEARS ago. Let's remember how we got started down this road of sequestrations and shutdowns in the first place. Republicans should have been slapped down hard then. Instead, the axe of sequestration was embraced by Democrats, and we got soaring speeches about eating our peas.

Now we have perpetual rule by crisis, repeated shock doctrine. Over and over again, options are deliberately narrowed until two shit sandwiches are placed before us, and we are taught to cry victory at receiving the slightly less shitty and painful option. Every outcome hurts the 99 percent and enriches the one percent a little bit more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395

But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget.

This is not a win, except for corporate thieves in both parties.

Every single deal, every single orchestrated crisis, every single shock doctrine scam moves us further into corporate slavery. We are being played by both corporate parties, over and over again.



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Scammed again by corporatists in both parties. [View all] woo me with science Oct 2013 OP
The OP is BS, here's why: ProSense Oct 2013 #1
Great response. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #4
No, not really LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #7
We're doomed. The Dems suck. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #10
That is a dumbass response LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #14
He's going to press for immigration reform pscot Oct 2013 #91
And that pretty well sums up your argument. Blah blah blah. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #55
They're back. nt Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #86
This shit gets old, doesn't it... SidDithers Oct 2013 #123
Being perpetually disgruntled is a full time job. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #126
What shit gets old? Supporting Democratic Policies NEVER gets old for Democrats. So what are you sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #136
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #143
You are not living under the sequestration. Let those that are Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #137
What do you think about cuts to SS benefits? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #124
You mean the SS cuts that aren't going to happen, just like the last 10 times they've been JoePhilly Oct 2013 #125
So you don't support SS cuts, you don't support the Chained CPI. Good, then we are in agreement and sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #139
Correct, I do not support the SS cuts that are also not happening ... no matter how much JoePhilly Oct 2013 #145
"The link merely states that Ryan et al wanted even more damage in the form of entitlement cuts." ProSense Oct 2013 #20
Once again you don't seem to know what words mean LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #23
"Scammed again by corporatists in both parties." ProSense Oct 2013 #24
Are we still at sequestration levels? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #25
Did the Senate pass a budget that's being blocked by Republicans? ProSense Oct 2013 #27
You still did not answer the question. zeemike Oct 2013 #49
There argument can be summed up as: Democrats good, Republicans bad. It makes life so much rhett o rick Oct 2013 #57
Yep. enlightenment Oct 2013 #128
The question shows how unrealistic your expectations are. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #75
I did not say we lost. zeemike Oct 2013 #82
Its not "too negative", its a false equivalence. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #94
I made no equivalence zeemike Oct 2013 #101
If you are not making an equivalence then you are using the wrong metaphor. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #102
Making deals like that are for fools. zeemike Oct 2013 #109
You also avoided my question, so I'll rephrase and ask again. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #96
Making progress is not winning. zeemike Oct 2013 #99
Its a matter of semantics whether making progress is considered winning. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #105
Exactly, and again, to play the REAL game you need to keep your eyes on the ball nolabels Oct 2013 #116
YES REALLY!!! SkyDaddy7 Oct 2013 #63
Had thought woo me with science's OP was spot on. Thanks for clarifying that we are not indepat Oct 2013 #30
Now THAT's an important post. woo me with science Oct 2013 #43
Or that Mitt Romney's multi-million dollar annual income is still taxed playing like it were indepat Oct 2013 #77
But, but being run from the right is ok if it is a Democrat. You see the word means everything. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #64
My maternal grand-father had been an early campaign manager for Al Gore, Sr. and this native indepat Oct 2013 #71
+1 Enthusiast Oct 2013 #107
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #42
Let me sum up your argument - Republicans are bad, Democrats are good. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #54
Um, no, Democrats passed a budget that ended the sequester. joshcryer Oct 2013 #88
Of course there is a difference. THat's not the point. Of course what we got was better than rhett o rick Oct 2013 #103
The Ryan budget assumes the sequester is made permanent. joshcryer Oct 2013 #106
Most programs were not exempted from the sequester. former9thward Oct 2013 #118
The OP is absolutely CORRECT. And the proof will very soon become evident to those who have so far sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #122
This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #127
You are too late. It has already begun. But with the same pressure Liberals applied re the Summers sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #133
Even Bernie Sanders is in on it now. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #138
Link please to Bernie Sanders supporting cuts to SS ... sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #140
Well, he's been assigned to the Budget Committee ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #144
Why do you say 'so clearly he must be part of the secret plan to kill Social Security'?? Ryan is on sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #150
Because we're being scammed by the corpratists in both parties. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #151
Yes! AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #132
wait! Is that the Whambulance coming up the block? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #74
yup Skittles Oct 2013 #3
The OP's thesis is the Dems in gov are the enemy Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #9
How dishonest to misrepresent the OP. I guess you are unable to argue against what he actually rhett o rick Oct 2013 #104
+100 truebluegreen Oct 2013 #53
So in conclusion it is all Obama's fault. Got it. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #5
Always is. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #11
Yes always is... zeemike Oct 2013 #52
Or, if the perpetually disgruntled are JoePhilly Oct 2013 #81
Or if the perpetually fucked over zeemike Oct 2013 #83
The only thing that's obvious is that the OP said no such thing BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #12
Here's what the OP said Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #15
Yep, the OP lays part of the blame at Obama's feet, but BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #26
Clearly it is allowed if you spend any time here; however Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #29
I'm really, really happy Obama & the Dems haven't caved BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Oct 2013 #51
+100000 Beautifully said. woo me with science Oct 2013 #31
Well put. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #44
+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #32
The OP is indirectly defending MIC spending. joshcryer Oct 2013 #85
Haven't been around long, so I need clarification. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #13
No comment Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #19
The admins like to keep a few of the more intelligent and perceptive DUers around Zorra Oct 2013 #35
:^) GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #46
the poor thangs must be devastated. Whisp Oct 2013 #37
Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #45
You didn't read the OP then?? I suggest you do so. It is an excellent OP especially for those who sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #134
K&R and Thanks! haikugal Oct 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #8
You should probably know the difference between a Continuing Resolution and a budget jeff47 Oct 2013 #16
Folks just like rooting for a winning team 1000words Oct 2013 #17
DURec... This WAS a "Defensive WIN". The first in over 5 years. bvar22 Oct 2013 #18
agreed but there are few leading dems interested or capable of doing so. this is a great chance to msongs Oct 2013 #36
K&R "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #21
"Once again ably demonstrated in too many replies to your post. " ProSense Oct 2013 #22
Thank you for your own revealing contributions. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #120
Both ends of the political spectrum has them. This is one of ours. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #28
DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #33
Where is Left Underground when you need 'em? RiffRandell Oct 2013 #38
Well said. Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #39
We just kicked the can down the road a few months munster69 Oct 2013 #40
K & R dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #41
you better believe it! dionysus Oct 2013 #47
Capital response! grantcart Oct 2013 #50
bingo nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #73
Lol!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #87
Nice. So everyone, like myself, who has a kid in college, cheapdate Oct 2013 #48
It's a lot more of a win than the usual suspect naysayers predicted. Quite a win actually. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #56
You post as if humiliating Republicans is an end unto itself. Maedhros Oct 2013 #76
Humiliating Republicans is a means to an end, to majorities to roll back Republican legislation. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #78
But we've seen that when the Democrats have such majorities, Maedhros Oct 2013 #97
Interesting to see some of the numbers that go UP...Besides the stock market... adirondacker Oct 2013 #58
This is a win MFrohike Oct 2013 #59
The Ted Cruz wing of the left has spoken nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #60
Tell us again about the market meltdown LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #111
After you tell me how Democrats could have gotten a better deal geek tragedy Oct 2013 #112
More ignornace LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #114
"more ignornace" You forgot to tell me to get a brain since I'm a moran geek tragedy Oct 2013 #115
We know who the Ted Cruz types are on the Right. Please name those types on the Left you appear to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #135
the ones who believe everything they hear/read from Russia Today for starters nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #142
Are you referring to the 'left' by any chance? I'm asking because there is an excellent OP sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #148
!!! zappaman Oct 2013 #149
So when I realized two weeks ago that Obama could have invoked the truedelphi Oct 2013 #61
You Don't Mean To Say It's Worse Than THIS... Do You ??? WillyT Oct 2013 #62
Really? Wonder what's been cut. nt. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #80
Here: (from DUer upi402) progressoid Oct 2013 #110
Thank you for the details. Over what time frame (reversed before enacted)? Staggering, nonetheless. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #117
There's always somebody that's gotta piss all over a good thing Gman Oct 2013 #65
Why are you interrupting the celebration of admitting to being scammed? ProSense Oct 2013 #66
MR ROFFLE WAFFLES is BACK! bobduca Oct 2013 #100
K/R 840high Oct 2013 #67
Call it whatever you want to call it... D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #68
I think it is some small kind of victory, but... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #69
Pissing on our parade as usual, huh? Typical. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #70
bwahahaha! arely staircase Oct 2013 #72
That's long been the case, and the "normal" stupidicus Oct 2013 #79
cuz this "crisis" is a smoke screen for corporatism in both parties upi402 Oct 2013 #89
It's on full display here too. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #95
yep stupidicus Oct 2013 #98
The sequester hurts the MIC more than anyone else. joshcryer Oct 2013 #84
Anytime the word is "BOTH" = "they're all THE SAME" - meaning, BAD WINS.n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #90
everytime a false equivalency gets passed along a kitten loses its mother reddread Oct 2013 #129
Moonwalking our way "forward"... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #92
Woohoo, we won, we won! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #93
No! ProSense Oct 2013 #108
Recommend jsr Oct 2013 #113
It was a win for Democrats Progressive dog Oct 2013 #119
AND we get Lyin' Ryan as co-chair of the "Budget Committee" ... Myrina Oct 2013 #121
Democrats are going into conference with a budget ProSense Oct 2013 #130
K&R! Phlem Oct 2013 #131
Wow! The people with me on ignore will never see that I agree with them! FredStembottom Oct 2013 #141
as usual woo gets it questionseverything Oct 2013 #146
du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #147
Right on target Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #152
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