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zeemike

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99. Making progress is not winning.

Wed Oct 16, 2013, 11:15 PM

Oct 2013

And I have no intention of avoiding any question.
But if Bad cop says he is going to take you in the cell and beat you with a rubber hose, and the good cop says he will stop him if you just confess to the crime do you call that a win if the good cop prevails?...but you have made progress...you kept yourself from getting the shit kicked out of you...but you did not win.
But that is how the game of triangulation is played...threaten you with something terrible so you will be happy with just something bad.

I will be happy when the shutdown and threat of default is over...and I am glad they stood up to the bullies, but I will not delude myself by calling it a win....we are miles away from any win...at least for most of the country that is...who will continue to pay the price so that Wall Street can continue making the big bucks off of the backs of main street.
And we are miles away from any reform in congress to make it represent the majority of Americans interist....miles away from any win.
I don't know any other way to answer that question.

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Scammed again by corporatists in both parties. [View all] woo me with science Oct 2013 OP

The OP is BS, here's why: ProSense Oct 2013 #1

Great response. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #4

No, not really LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #7

We're doomed. The Dems suck. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #10

That is a dumbass response LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #14

He's going to press for immigration reform pscot Oct 2013 #91

And that pretty well sums up your argument. Blah blah blah. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #55

They're back. nt Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #86

This shit gets old, doesn't it... SidDithers Oct 2013 #123

Being perpetually disgruntled is a full time job. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #126

What shit gets old? Supporting Democratic Policies NEVER gets old for Democrats. So what are you sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #136

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #143

You are not living under the sequestration. Let those that are Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #137

What do you think about cuts to SS benefits? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #124

You mean the SS cuts that aren't going to happen, just like the last 10 times they've been JoePhilly Oct 2013 #125

So you don't support SS cuts, you don't support the Chained CPI. Good, then we are in agreement and sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #139

Correct, I do not support the SS cuts that are also not happening ... no matter how much JoePhilly Oct 2013 #145

"The link merely states that Ryan et al wanted even more damage in the form of entitlement cuts." ProSense Oct 2013 #20

Once again you don't seem to know what words mean LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #23

"Scammed again by corporatists in both parties." ProSense Oct 2013 #24

Are we still at sequestration levels? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #25

Did the Senate pass a budget that's being blocked by Republicans? ProSense Oct 2013 #27

You still did not answer the question. zeemike Oct 2013 #49

There argument can be summed up as: Democrats good, Republicans bad. It makes life so much rhett o rick Oct 2013 #57

Yep. enlightenment Oct 2013 #128

The question shows how unrealistic your expectations are. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #75

I did not say we lost. zeemike Oct 2013 #82

Its not "too negative", its a false equivalence. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #94

I made no equivalence zeemike Oct 2013 #101

If you are not making an equivalence then you are using the wrong metaphor. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #102

Making deals like that are for fools. zeemike Oct 2013 #109

You also avoided my question, so I'll rephrase and ask again. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #96

Making progress is not winning. zeemike Oct 2013 #99

Its a matter of semantics whether making progress is considered winning. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #105

Exactly, and again, to play the REAL game you need to keep your eyes on the ball nolabels Oct 2013 #116

YES REALLY!!! SkyDaddy7 Oct 2013 #63

Had thought woo me with science's OP was spot on. Thanks for clarifying that we are not indepat Oct 2013 #30

Now THAT's an important post. woo me with science Oct 2013 #43

Or that Mitt Romney's multi-million dollar annual income is still taxed playing like it were indepat Oct 2013 #77

But, but being run from the right is ok if it is a Democrat. You see the word means everything. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #64

My maternal grand-father had been an early campaign manager for Al Gore, Sr. and this native indepat Oct 2013 #71

+1 Enthusiast Oct 2013 #107

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #42

Let me sum up your argument - Republicans are bad, Democrats are good. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #54

Um, no, Democrats passed a budget that ended the sequester. joshcryer Oct 2013 #88

Of course there is a difference. THat's not the point. Of course what we got was better than rhett o rick Oct 2013 #103

The Ryan budget assumes the sequester is made permanent. joshcryer Oct 2013 #106

Most programs were not exempted from the sequester. former9thward Oct 2013 #118

The OP is absolutely CORRECT. And the proof will very soon become evident to those who have so far sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #122

This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #127

You are too late. It has already begun. But with the same pressure Liberals applied re the Summers sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #133

Even Bernie Sanders is in on it now. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #138

Link please to Bernie Sanders supporting cuts to SS ... sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #140

Well, he's been assigned to the Budget Committee ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #144

Why do you say 'so clearly he must be part of the secret plan to kill Social Security'?? Ryan is on sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #150

Because we're being scammed by the corpratists in both parties. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #151

Yes! AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #132

wait! Is that the Whambulance coming up the block? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #74

yup Skittles Oct 2013 #3

The OP's thesis is the Dems in gov are the enemy Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #9

How dishonest to misrepresent the OP. I guess you are unable to argue against what he actually rhett o rick Oct 2013 #104

+100 truebluegreen Oct 2013 #53

So in conclusion it is all Obama's fault. Got it. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #5

Always is. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #11

Yes always is... zeemike Oct 2013 #52

Or, if the perpetually disgruntled are JoePhilly Oct 2013 #81

Or if the perpetually fucked over zeemike Oct 2013 #83

The only thing that's obvious is that the OP said no such thing BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #12

Here's what the OP said Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #15

Yep, the OP lays part of the blame at Obama's feet, but BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #26

Clearly it is allowed if you spend any time here; however Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #29

I'm really, really happy Obama & the Dems haven't caved BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Oct 2013 #51

+100000 Beautifully said. woo me with science Oct 2013 #31

Well put. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #44

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #32

The OP is indirectly defending MIC spending. joshcryer Oct 2013 #85

Haven't been around long, so I need clarification. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #13

No comment Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #19

The admins like to keep a few of the more intelligent and perceptive DUers around Zorra Oct 2013 #35

:^) GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #46

the poor thangs must be devastated. Whisp Oct 2013 #37

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #45

You didn't read the OP then?? I suggest you do so. It is an excellent OP especially for those who sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #134

K&R and Thanks! haikugal Oct 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #8

You should probably know the difference between a Continuing Resolution and a budget jeff47 Oct 2013 #16

Folks just like rooting for a winning team 1000words Oct 2013 #17

DURec... This WAS a "Defensive WIN". The first in over 5 years. bvar22 Oct 2013 #18

agreed but there are few leading dems interested or capable of doing so. this is a great chance to msongs Oct 2013 #36

K&R "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #21

"Once again ably demonstrated in too many replies to your post. " ProSense Oct 2013 #22

Thank you for your own revealing contributions. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #120

Both ends of the political spectrum has them. This is one of ours. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #28

DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #33

Where is Left Underground when you need 'em? RiffRandell Oct 2013 #38

Well said. Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #39

We just kicked the can down the road a few months munster69 Oct 2013 #40

K & R dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #41

you better believe it! dionysus Oct 2013 #47

Capital response! grantcart Oct 2013 #50

bingo nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #73

Lol!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #87

Nice. So everyone, like myself, who has a kid in college, cheapdate Oct 2013 #48

It's a lot more of a win than the usual suspect naysayers predicted. Quite a win actually. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #56

You post as if humiliating Republicans is an end unto itself. Maedhros Oct 2013 #76

Humiliating Republicans is a means to an end, to majorities to roll back Republican legislation. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #78

But we've seen that when the Democrats have such majorities, Maedhros Oct 2013 #97

Interesting to see some of the numbers that go UP...Besides the stock market... adirondacker Oct 2013 #58

This is a win MFrohike Oct 2013 #59

The Ted Cruz wing of the left has spoken nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #60

Tell us again about the market meltdown LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #111

After you tell me how Democrats could have gotten a better deal geek tragedy Oct 2013 #112

More ignornace LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #114

"more ignornace" You forgot to tell me to get a brain since I'm a moran geek tragedy Oct 2013 #115

We know who the Ted Cruz types are on the Right. Please name those types on the Left you appear to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #135

the ones who believe everything they hear/read from Russia Today for starters nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #142

Are you referring to the 'left' by any chance? I'm asking because there is an excellent OP sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #148

!!! zappaman Oct 2013 #149

So when I realized two weeks ago that Obama could have invoked the truedelphi Oct 2013 #61

You Don't Mean To Say It's Worse Than THIS... Do You ??? WillyT Oct 2013 #62

Really? Wonder what's been cut. nt. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #80

Here: (from DUer upi402) progressoid Oct 2013 #110

Thank you for the details. Over what time frame (reversed before enacted)? Staggering, nonetheless. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #117

There's always somebody that's gotta piss all over a good thing Gman Oct 2013 #65

Why are you interrupting the celebration of admitting to being scammed? ProSense Oct 2013 #66

MR ROFFLE WAFFLES is BACK! bobduca Oct 2013 #100

K/R 840high Oct 2013 #67

Call it whatever you want to call it... D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #68

I think it is some small kind of victory, but... TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #69

Pissing on our parade as usual, huh? Typical. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #70

bwahahaha! arely staircase Oct 2013 #72

That's long been the case, and the "normal" stupidicus Oct 2013 #79

cuz this "crisis" is a smoke screen for corporatism in both parties upi402 Oct 2013 #89

It's on full display here too. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #95

yep stupidicus Oct 2013 #98

The sequester hurts the MIC more than anyone else. joshcryer Oct 2013 #84

Anytime the word is "BOTH" = "they're all THE SAME" - meaning, BAD WINS.n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #90

everytime a false equivalency gets passed along a kitten loses its mother reddread Oct 2013 #129

Moonwalking our way "forward"... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #92

Woohoo, we won, we won! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #93

No! ProSense Oct 2013 #108

Recommend jsr Oct 2013 #113

It was a win for Democrats Progressive dog Oct 2013 #119

AND we get Lyin' Ryan as co-chair of the "Budget Committee" ... Myrina Oct 2013 #121

Democrats are going into conference with a budget ProSense Oct 2013 #130

K&R! Phlem Oct 2013 #131

Wow! The people with me on ignore will never see that I agree with them! FredStembottom Oct 2013 #141

as usual woo gets it questionseverything Oct 2013 #146

du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #147

Right on target Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #152