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113. It's my reaction to the threads complaining about "bashing the South"

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 03:57 AM

Oct 2013

While I don't think broad brush criticism of all Southerners is correct, I also think that honesty and accuracy about the South's racial history paint it in such a negative light that some might see the truth as "bashing".

But that is the history. I wish it were different, but it's not.

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There's an Ugly Truth about a Faction of our Democratic Party that Needs to Be Addressed. [View all] KoKo Oct 2013 OP

And some of them are just plain jealous of us & full of envy. William769 Oct 2013 #1

I just added THE MAP...Please hit OP Post. DU'ers incredible Map of how the RW is Everywhere KoKo Oct 2013 #10

The map now known officially as Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #15

The reverse snobbery of the term "flyover country" makes my point of it's a loser going after Bubba coldmountain Oct 2013 #30

Kind of interesting that you are able to deduce so much about me & my neighbors Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #33

You meant "my neighbors and me" coldmountain Oct 2013 #85

I'm going to argue as follows: Volaris Oct 2013 #104

Yes...as if "Fly Over" is what one does going from "The Hamptons" to "Silicon Valley" KoKo Oct 2013 #47

One of the times that I went to a Michael Moore event in San Francisco Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #54

Recommend! Yes...we shouldn't all be put in BOXES and LABELED........... KoKo Oct 2013 #61

This is a very good OP Koko and a discussion that DUers should have regularly.. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #64

Thanks for reading... KoKo Oct 2013 #100

Hey, KoKo, do you have a link to Bvar's OP with that map? NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #80

K&R ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #2

+1 nt Zorra Oct 2013 #3

Exactly. -nt- DireStrike Oct 2013 #6

True. But to focus on our real enemy...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #7

Preferably without a party. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #9

You know MFrohike Oct 2013 #23

Yep. And the history is there......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #26

George Wallace MFrohike Oct 2013 #41

George Wallace was against segregation and had the endorsement of the NAACP for his first campaign. okaawhatever Oct 2013 #46

True MFrohike Oct 2013 #52

Southern Dem is not a new term - TBF Oct 2013 #29

" Southerners are pretty left-leaning on economics" Southerners on what planet? It ain't this one! coldmountain Oct 2013 #32

Please, we do want you to boycott Sissyk Oct 2013 #39

There's an idea MFrohike Oct 2013 #40

It worked on South Africa and gave us Mandela. What is your answer? Give Bubba a free gun and ammo? coldmountain Oct 2013 #82

Don't you have a boycott to organize? MFrohike Oct 2013 #86

There's apps for your phone to boycott Koch brothers products like Georgia Pacific, it's a start coldmountain Oct 2013 #129

Haha MFrohike Oct 2013 #133

There's going to be a general boycott of the South coming, mark my words, bookmark it coldmountain Oct 2013 #136

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha MFrohike Oct 2013 #137

OMG I wrote this long explanation and counter argument and then refreshed and it's gone. okaawhatever Oct 2013 #89

We have alot of NC Members here on DU and "Moral Mondays" is KoKo Oct 2013 #99

Art Pope was behind much of the political shenanignas. he is sometimes referred to as okaawhatever Oct 2013 #101

What you said, Volaris Oct 2013 #109

That's exactly the advice I offered someone who sounded me out Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #125

Agree...but look how the Media we Watch divides us colluding and dolled up and ohhh KoKo Oct 2013 #48

"BUBBA's are ALL OVER THE USA!" pacalo Oct 2013 #4

Here's the Map.... KoKo Oct 2013 #12

Thanks for that! I was going to search for it; much appreciated, KoKo. pacalo Oct 2013 #14

Thanks for looking for it...when BVAR posted it I thought it was incredible... KoKo Oct 2013 #16

KoKo, I know the kind of people you're talking about. pacalo Oct 2013 #25

Back Attacha... KoKo Oct 2013 #43

So reverse snobbery is allright? Isn't this what it's all about? Reverse snobbery is OK coldmountain Oct 2013 #140

Look how much more red the bottom left quadrant is from Texas to the coast & Mason Dixon line south coldmountain Oct 2013 #83

I'd like to point out that the brightest red areas in the plains states and intermountain west truebluegreen Oct 2013 #135

Correct, the total population of the plains states and intermountain west Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #157

South bashing is stupid for many reasons. Here are two: DireStrike Oct 2013 #5

The South is less educated and has more white chauvinism, it can't be denied coldmountain Oct 2013 #24

What % of eligible voters in the south vote? leftstreet Oct 2013 #37

Funny MFrohike Oct 2013 #42

Due to material conditions. -nt- DireStrike Oct 2013 #56

It causes BACKLASH! If you are told you are Stupid, Moran's who can't Spell" it invites KoKo Oct 2013 #49

two words arely staircase Oct 2013 #8

What about her? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #18

we are working hard in this red state to change things arely staircase Oct 2013 #20

Good onya. One step at a time. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #58

If Wendy Davis win's, it will because we went after Bubba's wife and her neighbors, Juan and Juanita coldmountain Oct 2013 #27

exactly nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #31

You meant "wins". nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2013 #127

The 1% is pleased with regional chauvinism Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #11

+1 Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #65

That's really what it's about... Distracting Attention and when times get tough KoKo Oct 2013 #81

Ooooh, "elites" Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #13

I think "elites" means Doctor_J Oct 2013 #19

I don't get the reason for this OP Doctor_J Oct 2013 #17

A few days ago, Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #21

The southern people that are complaining mostly share a like mind with us. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #28

I'll tell you, Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #36

No renie408 Oct 2013 #44

Oh bullshit, DUers from the south are not lumped in with the conservatives from the region. Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #51

Where did I ask you to view the South in any light? renie408 Oct 2013 #53

Funny one hears whining about political correctness all over the South except when it comes to them coldmountain Oct 2013 #73

You won't get anyone's head out of their asses by bashing them. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #63

We're also not getting to where we need to be by kissing their ass and placating them. n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2013 #111

Oh please MFrohike Oct 2013 #50

But...but... renie408 Oct 2013 #57

A regular pack of geniuses MFrohike Oct 2013 #60

The smarter areas of the country with higher wages, longer healthier lives, less broken homes coldmountain Oct 2013 #75

Why would anyone want to be part of a construct built around a failed war to have slavery? coldmountain Oct 2013 #74

Heh MFrohike Oct 2013 #78

actually that is not true backwoodsbob Oct 2013 #115

Oh bite me twice. nt nolabear Oct 2013 #35

Tired of bending over for Bubba!!!we need to quit compromising our ideals and go after other voters coldmountain Oct 2013 #22

Somebody ought to talk to you about your recurrent use of that apostrophe in "it's," Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #34

... leftstreet Oct 2013 #38

lol! Sissyk Oct 2013 #45

Best you can do? That its always smartass grammar impaired Yankees holding y'all back? coldmountain Oct 2013 #69

South? I'm not talking about the South. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #126

I understand you pain about this...and your anger..but, it doesn't help when our Dem KoKo Oct 2013 #55

I've mentioned this before Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #59

make more sense if you said LBJ hfojvt Oct 2013 #68

I thought LBJ went without saying Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #70

"The people" only come into play when the ptb, on both sides, Skip Intro Oct 2013 #62

Best post in the thread. YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #66

not really. just a false equivalency post. CreekDog Oct 2013 #87

The "both sides do it" is a kind of propaganda. There always a better side coldmountain Oct 2013 #91

Where have the Democrats been the past 30 years? YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #105

And yet we are now cheering because spending levels below the Ryan budget are the law of the land Fumesucker Oct 2013 #114

we aren't cheering that part CreekDog Oct 2013 #116

Sure we are Fumesucker Oct 2013 #117

Find one person cheering the sequestration levels CreekDog Oct 2013 #118

Right, we're just not supposed to mention anything negative about a "great victory" Fumesucker Oct 2013 #119

it was an overwhelming victory against those who would've kept the government shutdown CreekDog Oct 2013 #122

Agree......and about SC.... KoKo Oct 2013 #67

They keep themselves down and dumb. If it wasn't for sports there would be few schools in the South coldmountain Oct 2013 #71

Truly it's not the Whole South.. But, it's gotten very bad in the last three decades. KoKo Oct 2013 #84

It's not that there aren't good Southern people who want to takeup the fight but they have no chance coldmountain Oct 2013 #90

I know....those are good people... KoKo Oct 2013 #98

Sometimes an outsider doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #88

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Southerner and said the south was full of racists CreekDog Oct 2013 #95

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s condemnation of American racism was by no means limited to the South YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #108

Right. I've never said differently CreekDog Oct 2013 #120

You just got busted on your bullshit. Skip Intro Oct 2013 #110

No, the only bullshit is if you are saying that the South didn't have an even worse record on race CreekDog Oct 2013 #112

"The South in general has contempt for education and intellectualism and it shows" YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #107

That's a vote percentage map. joshcryer Oct 2013 #79

However, kentauros Oct 2013 #149

I don't think it's the PTB that are pushing rural and southern stereotypes here. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #93

The worst are the intellectually JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #72

bvar's map is extremely misleading. joshcryer Oct 2013 #76

I think this particular map is a good illustration that we can live near or next door to KoKo Oct 2013 #94

I think definitely that the voting system is screwed up. joshcryer Oct 2013 #103

So that's your reaction to big news of the day? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #77

It's my reaction to the threads complaining about "bashing the South" CreekDog Oct 2013 #113

What about the history the South is writing these days?The South is bullying the rest of the country coldmountain Oct 2013 #147

I think smug liberals could do worse than to read Orwell's "Road to Wigan's Pier" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #92

Thanks for the Link...Never heard of it and will check it out! KoKo Oct 2013 #96

The book is public domain lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #97

Thank you for the link. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #102

All those "smug liberals" put out of work by the Southern based Republican lead government shutdown. coldmountain Oct 2013 #144

The fact that you live in a place that allows you to feel blameless is a geographic accident. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #146

I put my time and money into changing the South coldmountain Oct 2013 #151

I'm born & raised in the South & I say Southerners need to stop whining johnlucas Oct 2013 #106

The Republican party is a regional party that is based on racism and religious intolerance coldmountain Oct 2013 #132

Excellent essay! DoBotherMe Oct 2013 #155

Lots of good stuff here. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #161

I understand it. It's the 'nobody talks bad about my family but me' kind of thing. johnlucas Oct 2013 #162

I've been saying this for a LONG time now on DU Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #121

This is what I don't understand... Phentex Oct 2013 #128

The only changes in the South have been from demographics and not from converting Bubba coldmountain Oct 2013 #131

How would you make this happen? Phentex Oct 2013 #134

Maybe the next government shut down in February, it can be started. coldmountain Oct 2013 #141

That does not sound very specific. Phentex Oct 2013 #158

The problem is that it will hurt many poor people in the South but the Tea party also hurts them coldmountain Oct 2013 #160

In other words... Phentex Oct 2013 #163

"Idiot George Bush" malokvale77 Oct 2013 #159

The rural areas are becoming increasingly irrelevant,soon we can win with just the suburbs & cities coldmountain Oct 2013 #139

Your remarks are sounding very "47 percent"-like. Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #142

the county I grew up in in Western PA (Erie) went for Obama in 2008 and 2012 - but my little town on Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #123

Southern suburbs vote solidly Republican while the rest of the nation not as much coldmountain Oct 2013 #130

When Hitchens began his series of debates on religion... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #124

The South is already irrelevant to Democrats winning POTUS elections coldmountain Oct 2013 #138

For the most part, if I read an OP which focuses on criticizing the south LanternWaste Oct 2013 #143

I guess we shouldn't have had the Civil War, Freedom Rides or Civil Rights acts? coldmountain Oct 2013 #145

That was a terrorist act committed by what group and with what motives? KoKo Oct 2013 #150

It's not deeper than race as far the Tea party crowd is concerned. coldmountain Oct 2013 #152

Recommend. KoKo Oct 2013 #148

Here's the website source of this map kentauros Oct 2013 #153

I would rather have "uneducated but down to earth" than "educated douche bag" any day. Dash87 Oct 2013 #154

You make some good points Liberalynn Oct 2013 #156