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IdaBriggs

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Thu Oct 17, 2013, 12:12 PM Oct 2013

Interesting discussion with a co-worker about "Nanny State" policies. [View all]

It started with motorcycle helmets. Here in Michigan we used to have a "require to wear helmets" for the motorcycle crowd, but it was recently changed.

I do not support the change. I am technically a "pro-Nanny State" person because I support protecting people from their own stupidity (as in "not wearing a helmet&quot . Please Note: I do not ride, but have friends and family who do, and I support their right to ride and be treated with respect while using the road, but the "helmet less" folk scare me spitless. Lol!

My co-worker does ride, and he does wear a helmet, but he is *against* anyone "forcing him" to wear one. He is "anti-Nanny State" and we were able to have an awesome discussion about the topic.

It got me thinking about the differences in our philosophies, and I am interested in the thoughts of others on DU about the "pro/anti" Nanny State worldviews.

I personally wonder if my "nurturing, maternal, protective" instincts - where I basically spend a good portion of my life protecting the young of our species from making stupid, potentially fatal mistakes - accounts for some of my "yes, we need to protect as many people as possible from self-inflicted stupidity" versus the attitude of many folk (including my beloved husband and this good friend) that "stupidity should be painful, with persistent stupidity being fatal and a good way to keep the gene pool clean" (usually said in a humorous "Darwin Award" way) might account for some of the differences?

Our discussion today touched on seat belts, cell phones, air bags and drunk drivers; I brought up consumer safety issues (cribs that kill!). We talked about how he felt his kids could make decisions for themselves / he'd trained them not to be stupid once they left his house, and I talked about the fact I expect teenagers / young adults to be unaware of their own mortality and requiring reasonable guidance because of their belief in their own immortality, and thus being totally okay with "nanny-stating" them as much as possible within reasonable guidelines (see: motorcycle helmets and seat belts as part of my definition).

I really like policies that keep more people alive and healthy, even if the people involved are stupid (or young or inexperienced or whatever). I also think reasonable people can find common ground between "that seems like a good idea" or "okay, demanding everyone wear padding to protect them from life's boo-boos is a little over the top."

Thoughts?

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It's easy to talk a big "personal responsibility" game and "teach you kids to not be dumb" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #1
This person is a good guy who is former Navy. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #7
It is a really tricky topic that clearly crosses political camps - and it is really complex. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2
Your post is *exactly* what I was hoping for when I started the thread! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #9
"What do I do" is so different from "which is the way to go" NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #34
For what it's worth, Reagan signed a bill requiring motorcycle helmets Blue Meany Oct 2013 #3
This was brought up by both of us, and I made a comment about "young organ donors." IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #10
That's why medics call them "donorcycles". nt Bigmack Oct 2013 #41
Drug/Alcohol test all of Congress. For our safety n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #4
Now *this* I could definitely get behind. Brigid Oct 2013 #37
Also against: actual nannies Sanddog42 Oct 2013 #5
I was talking about the "wider bars on cribs" that had resulted in baby deaths. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #19
I am against laws that protect me from myself.. Bandit Oct 2013 #6
How about stupid things you do that affect other people? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #14
I have no problem with that reasoning as I have no problem with robbery being illegal Bandit Oct 2013 #18
I knew someone who was adamantly opposed to mandatory helmet laws. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #8
I am so sorry. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #12
Thank you. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #36
Well, to me it's kind of like the idiots who let their dogs ride in the back of their trucks in Tx. hamsterjill Oct 2013 #11
"The freedom to believe the laws of physics do not apply to you." IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #16
The rights of the community trump individual rights TBF Oct 2013 #13
Is the community better off with a "clean-of-the-stupid gene pool"? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #15
The 'Harm Policy' paradox wtbymark Oct 2013 #17
Is it "paternalistic" (as in "I am in charge!") or "maternal" (as in "please be safe!")? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #23
the notion that stupid people only harm themselves is fallacious 0rganism Oct 2013 #20
Agreed. And I especially like this line in your post -- IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #30
I think the basic philosophy is: people should be free to do anything that doesn't impact others. Make7 Oct 2013 #21
Realistically, pricing like that would encourage people to lie. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #29
I was suggesting it more as a debate point than an actual workable solution. Make7 Oct 2013 #35
I agree - but it is a slippery slope - smoking impacts others directly (via smoke) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #32
I think smokers do pay more for health and life insurance already. Make7 Oct 2013 #38
I saw a young guy and a young woman on a MineralMan Oct 2013 #22
I would have been completely freaking out. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #24
I'm afraid that I was focused on my driving. MineralMan Oct 2013 #26
I wouldn't have been trying to warn them - IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #27
I kind of run through a checklist with these issues Beearewhyain Oct 2013 #25
This is really excellent. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #28
Thanks! Beearewhyain Oct 2013 #31
I find the "people should be free to do things that don't impact others" to LittleBlue Oct 2013 #33
A young lady in town was wearing a helmet and only riding a bike... Frustratedlady Oct 2013 #39
In one way or another we all end up paying when someone's failure to wear tblue37 Oct 2013 #40
With motorcycle helmets specifically lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #42
I'm all for it, if they protect people and property Southside Oct 2013 #43
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