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In reply to the discussion: My condolences, you pitiful, dumbfuck freepwads [View all]SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)82. Nate Siler, who I have the highest regard for, has a slightly different take.
1. The media is probably overstating the magnitude of the shutdown's political impact.
Remember Syria? The fiscal cliff? Benghazi? The IRS scandal? The collapse of immigration reform? All of these were hyped as game-changing political moments by the news media, just as so many stories were during the election last year. In each case, the public's interest quickly waned once the news cycle turned over to another story. Most political stories have a fairly short half-life and won't turn out to be as consequential as they seem at the time.
Or consider the other story from President Obama's tenure in office that has the most parallels to the shutdown: the tense negotiations, in 2011, over the federal debt ceiling. The resolution to that crisis, which left voters across the political spectrum dissatisfied, did have some medium-term political impact: Obama's approval ratings declined to the low 40s from the high 40s, crossing a threshold that historically marks the difference between a reelected president and a one-termer, and congressional approval ratings plunged to record lows.
But Obama's approval ratings reverted to the high 40s by early 2012, enough to facilitate his reelection. Meanwhile, reelection rates for congressional incumbents were close to their long-term averages.
None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.
http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown/
Remember Syria? The fiscal cliff? Benghazi? The IRS scandal? The collapse of immigration reform? All of these were hyped as game-changing political moments by the news media, just as so many stories were during the election last year. In each case, the public's interest quickly waned once the news cycle turned over to another story. Most political stories have a fairly short half-life and won't turn out to be as consequential as they seem at the time.
Or consider the other story from President Obama's tenure in office that has the most parallels to the shutdown: the tense negotiations, in 2011, over the federal debt ceiling. The resolution to that crisis, which left voters across the political spectrum dissatisfied, did have some medium-term political impact: Obama's approval ratings declined to the low 40s from the high 40s, crossing a threshold that historically marks the difference between a reelected president and a one-termer, and congressional approval ratings plunged to record lows.
But Obama's approval ratings reverted to the high 40s by early 2012, enough to facilitate his reelection. Meanwhile, reelection rates for congressional incumbents were close to their long-term averages.
None of this applies if the United States actually does default on its debt this time around, or if the U.S. shutdown persists for as long as Belgium's. But if the current round of negotiations is resolved within the next week or so, they might turn out to have a relatively minor impact by November 2014.
http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown/
As I warned here in the 2010 election cycle, never ever underestimate a political opponent. When you do, that's when you get bitten the hardest.
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Yep, but now McConnell is really probably toast. He's already getting primaried.
dballance
Oct 2013
#29
Ted Cruz is now admitting this was all about getting suckers on their campaign donation list.
Snake Plissken
Oct 2013
#15
I'll wait to celebrate until the House adopts the Senate budget plan and Obama signs off on the deal
derby378
Oct 2013
#45
And the racists that aren't aging or dying off are being marginalized by a society increasingly ...
Scuba
Oct 2013
#47
You forgot to mention, their finacial backers are backing away as well. No money no funny....
Rebellious Republican
Oct 2013
#48
Sarah Palin is considered so repulsive, that her mere presence is a plus for our side.
PBass
Oct 2013
#71
... and yet, some "Polls" on local news sites say POTUS & the Dems are to blame ...
Myrina
Oct 2013
#80
Nate Siler, who I have the highest regard for, has a slightly different take.
SlimJimmy
Oct 2013
#82