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Make7

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38. I think smokers do pay more for health and life insurance already.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

Not to mention the social stigma it has become when smoking in many public places.

Unhealthy eating is more difficult to measure the associated costs compared to the other examples (helmet laws, seat-belt laws, smoking). Unfortunately some of the cheapest foods are also not very healthy, so I'm not about to suggest penalizing people who can sometimes only afford things that may be unhealthy. Also I'm fairly certain people need to eat - that cannot be said of riding a motorcycle, driving a car, or smoking.

This is the age old debate - what are the functions of a proper government and how much involvement should it have in its citizens lives. That's why there are so many laws and they keep changing - no one ever seems to agree where to draw the line. In fact most people change their minds on many issues throughout their lives, so expecting everyone to agree on pretty much anything seems pretty idealistic.

It is often useful to try to reduce things to basic philosophies since the details of implementation can cloud the underlying issue(s). And it will help people see where others are coming from (or if they have even thought things somewhat through).

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It's easy to talk a big "personal responsibility" game and "teach you kids to not be dumb" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #1
This person is a good guy who is former Navy. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #7
It is a really tricky topic that clearly crosses political camps - and it is really complex. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2
Your post is *exactly* what I was hoping for when I started the thread! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #9
"What do I do" is so different from "which is the way to go" NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #34
For what it's worth, Reagan signed a bill requiring motorcycle helmets Blue Meany Oct 2013 #3
This was brought up by both of us, and I made a comment about "young organ donors." IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #10
That's why medics call them "donorcycles". nt Bigmack Oct 2013 #41
Drug/Alcohol test all of Congress. For our safety n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #4
Now *this* I could definitely get behind. Brigid Oct 2013 #37
Also against: actual nannies Sanddog42 Oct 2013 #5
I was talking about the "wider bars on cribs" that had resulted in baby deaths. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #19
I am against laws that protect me from myself.. Bandit Oct 2013 #6
How about stupid things you do that affect other people? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #14
I have no problem with that reasoning as I have no problem with robbery being illegal Bandit Oct 2013 #18
I knew someone who was adamantly opposed to mandatory helmet laws. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #8
I am so sorry. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #12
Thank you. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #36
Well, to me it's kind of like the idiots who let their dogs ride in the back of their trucks in Tx. hamsterjill Oct 2013 #11
"The freedom to believe the laws of physics do not apply to you." IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #16
The rights of the community trump individual rights TBF Oct 2013 #13
Is the community better off with a "clean-of-the-stupid gene pool"? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #15
The 'Harm Policy' paradox wtbymark Oct 2013 #17
Is it "paternalistic" (as in "I am in charge!") or "maternal" (as in "please be safe!")? IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #23
the notion that stupid people only harm themselves is fallacious 0rganism Oct 2013 #20
Agreed. And I especially like this line in your post -- IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #30
I think the basic philosophy is: people should be free to do anything that doesn't impact others. Make7 Oct 2013 #21
Realistically, pricing like that would encourage people to lie. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #29
I was suggesting it more as a debate point than an actual workable solution. Make7 Oct 2013 #35
I agree - but it is a slippery slope - smoking impacts others directly (via smoke) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #32
I think smokers do pay more for health and life insurance already. Make7 Oct 2013 #38
I saw a young guy and a young woman on a MineralMan Oct 2013 #22
I would have been completely freaking out. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #24
I'm afraid that I was focused on my driving. MineralMan Oct 2013 #26
I wouldn't have been trying to warn them - IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #27
I kind of run through a checklist with these issues Beearewhyain Oct 2013 #25
This is really excellent. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #28
Thanks! Beearewhyain Oct 2013 #31
I find the "people should be free to do things that don't impact others" to LittleBlue Oct 2013 #33
A young lady in town was wearing a helmet and only riding a bike... Frustratedlady Oct 2013 #39
In one way or another we all end up paying when someone's failure to wear tblue37 Oct 2013 #40
With motorcycle helmets specifically lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #42
I'm all for it, if they protect people and property Southside Oct 2013 #43
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