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dkf

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Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:39 AM Oct 2013

Why Glenn Greenwald’s new media venture is a big deal [View all]

@chrislhayes: This is extremely astute http://t.co/IpHTYfTffu

Why Glenn Greenwald’s new media venture is a big deal
By Henry Farrell, Published: OCTOBER 17, 11:34 AM ET

Glenn Greenwald, who has published many of the most important scoops from the Edward Snowden leaks, is leaving The Guardian and setting up a new media venture with long-time journalist Laura Poitras and Jeremy Scahill from The Nation. The venture is being funded by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, who has suggested that he’s prepared to invest more than $250 million in the new venture.

This is big news for journalism. It’s also big news for people interested in the relationship between information technology and politics. Martha Finnemore and I drafted a paper a couple of years ago about how Wikileaks-type organizations were changing the relationship between knowledge, politics and hypocrisy. Our ideas about hypocrisy led to an article on the true consequences of the Snowden leaks, which is coming out in the next issue of Foreign Affairs. Our ideas about knowledge and politics maybe tell us something about the consequences of the new venture (but bear with me -- our argument is a little complicated).

Fundamentally, we think that much of the commentary about Wikileaks and Snowden’s revelations are wrong. Most people think that Wikileaks, Snowden etc. are politically important because they reveal secret information that was hitherto unknown. Many of Wikileaks’ defenders, including, initially, Julian Assange himself, thought that the organization would change politics and bring down corrupt regimes by revealing information that the government wanted to hide. The critics of Snowden and Wikileaks actually agree -- they argue that they have hurt America (and perhaps the world) by revealing information that should have stayed secret.

Neither are right. Neither Wikileaks or Snowden has revealed any truly surprising and damaging information. European and South American governments already knew that the U.S. was spying on them. China was certainly aware that U.S. agencies were trying to hack into its systems. On the other hand, Assange’s initial hope that he could change the world through publishing damaging information turned out to be completely unfounded. Wikileaks had a very frustrating time trying to get anyone except bloggers to pay attention to their early revelations. No one seemed to care.

The reason why is important. There’s too much information out there for most people to pay attention to, let alone figure out whether they believe it or not. Hence, most people rely on other institutions such as media organizations to tell them which information is worth caring about. Not only do people not pay much attention to information until it gets the stamp of approval from some authoritative institution, but this information is transformed, because everybody knows that everybody else is paying attention to it. It stops being mere information, and becomes knowledge -- generally accepted facts that people use to build their understanding of what everybody knows about politics.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/17/why-glenn-greenwalds-new-media-venture-is-a-big-deal/

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So this is going to be a venture... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #1
What is this vendetta that you have against Glenn Greenwald? ReRe Oct 2013 #4
Or even just... a bit much. villager Oct 2013 #5
Like "anti-Snowden", anti-whistleblower.... ReRe Oct 2013 #6
anti-truth? You better stop listening to Greenwald right away! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #9
What is he saving? He's been publishing regularly all over the world... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #19
and that means what exactly? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #27
What is he saving? The question is clear. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #30
Uh no... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #33
You made the claim that he is holding back. So, cough it up. What is he holding back? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #40
I have no frigging idea...HE is the one saying that.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #56
Interesting. You have no idea but you assert it anyway. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #57
because he says so.....can you understand the words coming out of my keyboard? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #58
He's never claimed he is "saving" anything. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #59
All the anticipation is that Glenn Greenwald has more tasty tidbits to share.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #60
What? He has stated many times over Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #61
Does HE or Doesn't HE have more on NSA in the US or not? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #62
Glenn Greenwald is a journalist. ReRe Oct 2013 #49
It reminds me of the standard right wing attack on Michael Moore QC Oct 2013 #50
It is SOP for wingers ReRe Oct 2013 #51
You've railed against everything he's written on the topic, and now you're complaint is Marr Oct 2013 #78
Lol, he's been giving it away since he began his blog in 2005. Maybe when you make declarations sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #79
What is this odd hero worship to the point where his treestar Oct 2013 #70
You lost me... ReRe Oct 2013 #72
You replied to Vanilla Rhapsody with treestar Oct 2013 #73
LOL. A #1 / #12 opinion piece that still reliably pulls good old reliable #5 replies. Amazing! PSPS Oct 2013 #2
Not calling him a hack...calling him a hypocrite! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #10
and this is from the venerable "Washington Post", 7wo7rees Oct 2013 #3
Thank you for posting this. Very interesting insight... deurbano Oct 2013 #7
As I've mentioned in other threads Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #8
I know right? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #11
Not only that, it's just that the writer's premise is flat wrong Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #14
I'm sure the Powerpoint slides will be colorful, though. randome Oct 2013 #13
Yes. You keep saying that while completely ignoring statements Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #16
It's the last sentence that contradicts everything before it Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #20
It makes perfect sense... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #24
"...making affirmative judgments without any evidence..." Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #41
Very cogent assessment Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #26
Seriously? ljm2002 Oct 2013 #52
so which big name sportswriters do the plan to hire? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #63
Regarding the point in question... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #64
You keep missing my point Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #67
I'm not missing your point, just disagreeing with it... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #71
Huffington Post Redux. MineralMan Oct 2013 #12
If you are waiting to see, then why did you mindlessly call it HuffPo Redux? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #18
He says wait and see if it survives. As I predicted earlier.... Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #23
Does Obama and Clinton know that Omidyar is a libertarian? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #28
Because that is my opinion. See my signature line. MineralMan Oct 2013 #29
So which opinion is valid? That it will be HuffPo Redux or that you will wait and see. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #35
If I had to guess, I'd say it will be closer to Salon Redux Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #48
That is exactly what came to my mind when reading the description provided. msanthrope Oct 2013 #25
Well, if they're pulling in Greenwald, MineralMan Oct 2013 #34
He certainly brought the site clicks to the Guardian, so Omidyar is smart msanthrope Oct 2013 #38
I'm not predicting anything. When it exists, I'll look at it. MineralMan Oct 2013 #39
Really. So building investigative reporting teams Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #36
Interesting Read! K&R! KoKo Oct 2013 #15
I bet it will be about half as successful as Current TV. phleshdef Oct 2013 #17
you bet? or you want that to happen? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #21
This media enterprise has high probability of failure Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #22
still waiting to find out why it's a "big deal" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #31
the owners of Walmart offer thousands jobs. Whisp Oct 2013 #42
agreed..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #43
Can't wait to see what happens with this. polichick Oct 2013 #32
The corporate propaganda smear attempts will be THICK in threads like this. woo me with science Oct 2013 #37
So dangerous that he just got a blank check with complete autonomy? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #44
oooooh be afraid...be very afraid...GG is sooooooooo dangerous! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #45
Hey, I didn't know I was a Power That Be... Whisp Oct 2013 #46
No sh*t on the smear attempts... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #53
yeah, but will he be certified by DiFi? reddread Oct 2013 #54
That's what I don't understand.... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #68
It's fine with me if people criticize Greenwald... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #69
I'm on a cell phone, so i'll just list a cpl quick examples Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #76
Fair enough... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #77
death knell for corporate mind raping nonsense reddread Oct 2013 #47
should rename the ignore list the tillikum Oct 2013 #65
stinkophants reddread Oct 2013 #66
Kicked and recommended, I hope they're successful with their venture. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #55
Kick bobduca Oct 2013 #74
It's an interesting premise, a news organization "unbound" by politics. Robb Oct 2013 #75
any worthwhile website can generate income reddread Oct 2013 #81
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #80
Buh Bye, dkf Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #82
BBI! Rex Oct 2013 #83
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