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11. I don't. I've known plenty of kids who need this

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Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:28 AM

Oct 2013

kind of education- both boys and girls.

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Alcohol Education Is Not Rape Apology [View all] cali Oct 2013 OP

The idea that teaching ways not be a victim is victim blaming is childish. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #1

Very well put. (nt) enough Oct 2013 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #79

Unfortunately men drinking also increases the risk of rape intaglio Oct 2013 #2

the article goes into that cali Oct 2013 #4

you forgot that if you are the man and intoxicated that you are a rape victim too. tillikum Oct 2013 #8

Is reading not your strong point? intaglio Oct 2013 #17

i don't like the inherent sexism of terms like "vulnerable men". tillikum Oct 2013 #20

So a drunken man is not vulnerable? intaglio Oct 2013 #24

i don't like the distinction. vulnerable vs. what...predatory? can females be predatory as well? tillikum Oct 2013 #25

Oh, boy. Trying to put words into my mouth intaglio Oct 2013 #33

it might be my fault, as i did try and dumb it down tillikum Oct 2013 #35

A predator in this context is someone who preys on other people intaglio Oct 2013 #112

i like that actually. opportunisim and the will to exploit yes? tillikum Oct 2013 #121

That woosh sound is the point flying over your head. joeglow3 Oct 2013 #15

Why do the vulnerable need education whilst the abusers get a pass? intaglio Oct 2013 #21

Nobody gets a freaking pass! scheming daemons Oct 2013 #59

Missing the point intaglio Oct 2013 #108

Bull fucking shit joeglow3 Oct 2013 #123

Indulging in dangerous behaviour is a separate issue from people exploiting those behaviours intaglio Oct 2013 #145

Because of reality that's why... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #97

So do you want women locked away? intaglio Oct 2013 #109

That is sick and if one person (probably a woman)... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #114

So now I am to blame and not the rapist intaglio Oct 2013 #119

I have said this before and I'll say it again. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #3

Until men wake up after a night of drinking with 10 inch dildos up their rectums, MattBaggins Oct 2013 #9

Got it in one. distantearlywarning Oct 2013 #12

A male friend of mine was raped. joeglow3 Oct 2013 #16

So you're saying your friends blamed the victim too, even though he was male? distantearlywarning Oct 2013 #122

this isn't about blame or about having "a drink" cali Oct 2013 #32

I think the best way to teach women is to.... trumad Oct 2013 #5

hard to do that when you're passed out. cali Oct 2013 #31

True... trumad Oct 2013 #90

I find it difficult to believe MadrasT Oct 2013 #7

Man-splaining, noblesse oblige MattBaggins Oct 2013 #10

I don't. I've known plenty of kids who need this cali Oct 2013 #11

Agreed... my 19year old daughter in college has been to parties where scheming daemons Oct 2013 #60

Do they educate men that binge drinking could make them rapists? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #13

yes. it's in the article. cali Oct 2013 #18

You believe all men are a few drinks away from becoming rapists?! Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #124

Read up on the word "could." nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #127

Are you suggesting that you are using the word "could" to mean... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #128

Awfully touchy. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #129

How about alcohol education for young men? distantearlywarning Oct 2013 #14

that's in the article I quoted from and linked to. cali Oct 2013 #19

Too many people confuse advocating praticing situational awareness with "blaming the victim". Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #22

it's mind boggling and stupid. cali Oct 2013 #29

Good article, cali. polly7 Oct 2013 #23

How about also making sure get the red out Oct 2013 #26

for the umpteenth time in this thread: that's in the article I posted cali Oct 2013 #28

Yeah we should also be teaching people that stealing is wrong! Kurska Oct 2013 #34

Here's why that analogy doesn't work kcr Oct 2013 #36

I don't follow your logic at all. Kurska Oct 2013 #37

Because you're "solving the problem" by going after the victims jeff47 Oct 2013 #40

If you think you can fix the underlying problem by saying "don't rape" I got some bad news for you. Kurska Oct 2013 #42

The thing you don't get is when someone is robbed, no one says "you were asking for it". jeff47 Oct 2013 #52

first of all, the article most certainly does NOT tell women not to drink cali Oct 2013 #44

Yeah! Why the fuck would people use shorthand on a message board instead of jeff47 Oct 2013 #50

I wonder if some of these people who hold this opinion realize kcr Oct 2013 #54

But we aren't talking about teaching self defense, here. kcr Oct 2013 #41

The first thing you'll learn in any self defense class is... Kurska Oct 2013 #45

Okee dokee kcr Oct 2013 #48

Stop making sense! (+1,000,000.) nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #49

Good article, Cali antiquie Oct 2013 #27

It depends on how it's framed. kcr Oct 2013 #30

There's a huge difference between "Now, now, now. Don't go getting yourself raped!" and polly7 Oct 2013 #38

Like I said kcr Oct 2013 #39

I don't think anyone is advising concentrating advice on the dangers of binge drinking polly7 Oct 2013 #43

But that's exactly what's being suggested kcr Oct 2013 #46

Oh good *'ing grief. polly7 Oct 2013 #47

Oh, I know kcr Oct 2013 #51

Boggles the mind that anything advocating education and awareness polly7 Oct 2013 #53

And I guess it just must make some feel safer to think kcr Oct 2013 #55

I don't see anyone focusing on women only in any of this. polly7 Oct 2013 #56

Oh, I guess the articles telling women not to binge drink kcr Oct 2013 #58

The article linked to in the OP says this: polly7 Oct 2013 #62

But it does make her article less worthwhile kcr Oct 2013 #68

Focus on empowerment and education. For all. Period. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #70

There you go kcr Oct 2013 #74

lmfao. Spin, spin. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #78

Focusing on the dangers of binge drinking is inherently focusing blame on the victim. jeff47 Oct 2013 #64

Articles like the OP remind anyone put into a vulnerable position, of the possibilities polly7 Oct 2013 #69

Except the only thing being done is reminding of the possibilities. jeff47 Oct 2013 #73

No one has said it is all that needs to be done. polly7 Oct 2013 #75

The article referenced in the OP only talks about the dangers of binge drinking. jeff47 Oct 2013 #85

Well no shit. polly7 Oct 2013 #94

If I was blaming hot oil for the dangers of cooking while nude jeff47 Oct 2013 #95

Did you say something? nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #96

Oh, my. What a stunningly convincing argument. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #98

About as convincing as dismissing a good article that is meant to inform polly7 Oct 2013 #100

The article isn't in a vacuum. jeff47 Oct 2013 #103

It's giving good information. polly7 Oct 2013 #106

You can't claim women are intelligent but also need an article to tell them jeff47 Oct 2013 #113

Did I say that? Where? polly7 Oct 2013 #115

"..like we don't tell victims of car theft that they shouldn't have driven away from their garage" scheming daemons Oct 2013 #76

As I responded to you elsewhere jeff47 Oct 2013 #86

Society's focus should also be on eliminating the opportunities for the criminal scheming daemons Oct 2013 #88

Very well said. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #89

And how has that actually worked? jeff47 Oct 2013 #91

They might really think it's that simple. kcr Oct 2013 #118

I'm fine with it so far as it's part of a larger education effort that includes men gollygee Oct 2013 #57

People have forgotten "Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker"? FarCenter Oct 2013 #61

Only on DU could giving the advice "Don't binge drink!" be considered a bad thing scheming daemons Oct 2013 #63

Since the original article talks about hearing this somewhere other than DU gollygee Oct 2013 #65

When it's the only advice being given, yes it is a bad thing. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #66

What other advice should I give my 19 year old daughter? scheming daemons Oct 2013 #71

This is talking about college programs gollygee Oct 2013 #81

The advice I will be giving my son a few years from now jeff47 Oct 2013 #82

Good article. LittleBlue Oct 2013 #67

I'll put it this way. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #72

No, you don't get it. scheming daemons Oct 2013 #83

I really don't know what world some of these people live in. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #93

We could also try educating young men about rape. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #77

Another person who didn't read the article scheming daemons Oct 2013 #80

People don't all know how to define "rape" gollygee Oct 2013 #84

I did read the article. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #87

It's especially victim blaming in this case kcr Oct 2013 #92

what. the. fuck. are you actually defending binge drinking? cali Oct 2013 #101

Oh, yes, Cali, that's exactly what I'm doing. Defending binge drinking. kcr Oct 2013 #102

it's simple. there are rapists. they are always responsible for cali Oct 2013 #104

But it isn't merely recommending reasonable precautions kcr Oct 2013 #107

i think you meant "victim" and not "woman" as that confers a bias. tillikum Oct 2013 #126

BTW, There are other health reasons as to why one should not binge drink alcohol other than rape. Yavin4 Oct 2013 #99

Yoffe has a long, well established record of rape denial. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #105

Yeah people see it framed in an odd way gollygee Oct 2013 #111

People should be able to walk down a street drunk/high and naked... uriel1972 Oct 2013 #110

"Blame the rapist but protect yourself." Brigid Oct 2013 #116

That's exactly right. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #117

Pro active, by teaching young people to advocate for themselves..which in this case, the advice Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #120

Some people are operating on the idea that ANY time sex occurs in conjunction with alcohol Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #125

Not me ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #131

I also think it's a misdefintion of the word as well as, if I can say it, removal of agency Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #134

What you or anyone's opinion on the matter is irrelevant BainsBane Oct 2013 #132

And yet you do realize that on planet Earth, there is a lot of consensual sex that occurs w/alcohol. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #133

there is also a lot of rape BainsBane Oct 2013 #135

No, I'm not suggesting that the law, such as it is, be changed whatsoever. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #137

Three beers would only constitute legal intoxication IF BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

Believe it or not, even as drunken college students back in the stone age, we understood consent. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #141

There is a difference between intoxication and under the influence BainsBane Oct 2013 #143

Excellent advice, which universally applies. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #144

Simple way to deal with that. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #139

Fine advice for those still going to bars and trying to meet new folks. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #142

FFS ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #130

Totally agree and I follow that to the letter, I wish others did the same. nt uriel1972 Oct 2013 #136

The articles held women responsbile as the guardians of male sexual behavior. rocktivity Oct 2013 #138