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highplainsdem

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Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:38 AM Oct 2013

Inside the Fox News lie machine: Salon contributor Eric Stern fact-checks Sean Hannity on Obamacare [View all]

Great article. Stern fact-checked Hannity by personally contacting three couples Hannity claimed had been harmed by Obamacare, and finding out how baseless those claims were.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/

First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.

Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.

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Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.

Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $800 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to $19,000 a year.

I asked Allison if she’d shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadn’t done so because she’d heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when it’s up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.

I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.

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Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?

When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.

Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, a 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.

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K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #1
Great article! I hope he tells the two families what he found on the exchanges, and then Squinch Oct 2013 #2
I hope he contacts the families, but I doubt they'll sign on. RVN VET Oct 2013 #15
I don't know. Save them hundreds a month, and I think they'll sign. They won't admit Squinch Oct 2013 #16
Possibly. But I never underestimate the self-sustaining power of ignorance. RVN VET Oct 2013 #18
True. But then I'm OK with the suffering. Squinch Oct 2013 #21
Agreed. RVN VET Oct 2013 #35
Snicker. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #44
True BLISS feels SO good Plucketeer Oct 2013 #28
Investigative journalism is not dead yet! randome Oct 2013 #3
Would be nice to see those folks go on the Ed Schultz show rurallib Oct 2013 #4
Fat chance. Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #37
If Hannity was to stop lying, what would he do on his show? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #5
^^THIS^^ Lochloosa Oct 2013 #6
He would die form Terminal Smug. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #33
How do you know when Hannity is lying? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #45
How does FOX stay on the air! Seriously, the entire network should be an FCC violation. nt aaaaaa5a Oct 2013 #7
Supreme Court ruled Fox can make up their news lobodons Oct 2013 #22
OK do you know the name of that law or regulation that used to be on the books Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #42
I only know that the Supreme Court's decision was based on a suit kentauros Oct 2013 #51
They claim they are News/Entertainment.... kinda like the supermarket rags. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #46
Big surprise. Lying shit Hannity had three lying shits on his show. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2013 #8
The attitude of that last couple is simultaneously maddening and laughable. JBoy Oct 2013 #9
This one needs to be passed JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #10
indeed - I just posted on Facebook - I hope everyone does Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #12
Yes! If I were on Facebook, I'd be all over that. Sadly, I'm just emailing it. Squinch Oct 2013 #17
I just emailed the article to friends and relatives. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #29
the degree of conscious intentional lying that the lie machine does is breath taking Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #11
stupid is as stupid does SHRED Oct 2013 #13
They don't want to upset their unreal world view even if it costs them big bucks to maintain it. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #20
The not bothering to shop on the exchanges SheilaT Oct 2013 #14
"Low-information people" Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #23
I've noticed that can happen NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #26
Bias Confirmation maxsolomon Oct 2013 #31
Purity of their ignorance. Ouch. It fits, but it's very sad when you think about it. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #47
+1 Can't rec and kick and bookmark this OP enough. Thank you! nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #19
Do Robbie & Tina know NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #24
This brand of willful, stubborn stupidity just amazes me rivegauche Oct 2013 #25
K&R with Text.. busterbrown Oct 2013 #27
LOL Scurrilous Oct 2013 #30
Were I a betting man, I would give 20 to 1 odds that Robbie and Tina Robison were fervent indepat Oct 2013 #32
K & R. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #34
K&R n/t Martin Eden Oct 2013 #36
SOunds like some here at DU trumad Oct 2013 #38
k&r n/t RainDog Oct 2013 #39
That first guy is doing just what I suspected Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #40
You know what is funny? Hannity couldn't find someone with more than 4 employees to lie on TV. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #48
So, I may have printed off multiple copies... TxDemChem Oct 2013 #41
Naughty Employee -- GOOD DEM Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #49
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it TxDemChem Oct 2013 #52
For some reason that makes me think of that 70's cartoon The Thunderbirds Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #54
That would be me. TxDemChem Oct 2013 #60
LOL bad boy.... blue14u Oct 2013 #56
Fox News fact-checks to make sure none get through. JEFF9K Oct 2013 #43
Double Take.... yup that's what he said all right. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #50
The FOX version of "checking" facts is the same as "checking" in Hockey, it's a defensive move Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #55
Fantastic video!!! blue14u Oct 2013 #57
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #53
K&R regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #58
another k&r RainDog Oct 2013 #59
conservatives are mentally and morally bankrupt Doctor_J Oct 2013 #61
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