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SheilaT

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31. My biggest problem with her is that she is simply
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 03:17 PM
Oct 2013

same old same old.

I do not see her pushing new ideas or really fighting for the little people. Unlike, say Alan Grayson or Elizabeth Warren.

What distresses me the most about the constant gushing here on DU about how she is so inevitably the 2016 Democratic Nominee, is a complete lack of understanding of history, especially electoral history. I'll recap.

In 1991, in the aftermath of the Gulf War, George HW Bush's popularity was so amazing that it was obvious that he was going to be re-elected, so every single potential Democratic candidate quietly withdrew from the race. Remember his second term? Oh, that's right, some other little known Democratic decided to challenge him.

In 2001, while we were all still smarting from the stolen election the year before, it was conventional wisdom here on DU that Gore would run again and win this time. Except he didn't. Run again that is.

In 2005, still angry over the election being stolen a second time, it was conventional wisdom here on DU that Kerry would run again and win this time.

In 2007 the conventional wisdom here was that Hillary was the only person who could possibly run a successful Democratic campaign for President and there was no point in considering anyone else. So what happened?

In all these cases reality happened. The person assumed to be the obvious next candidate either didn't run or didn't run well enough to get the nomination. For us as a party to make up our minds three years before the next election that one and only one person is the obvious choice is to overlook a lot of good possibilities.

I'm against Hillary on various pragmatic grounds, including the fact that she gave it her best shot in 2008 and lost. She made a good Secretary of State and she should enjoy her retirement.

While I personally favor Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson, I am going to be open to whoever actually chooses to run.

It's bad enough that Barack Obama has employed so many people from the past in his administration. If Hillary Clinton becomes President, we won't really have had a new person in office since her husband Bill.

At the risk of trashing lawyers in general, she's a lawyer who worked essentially in corporate law for many years, and so her world view is colored by that experience.

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Bookmarking. Laelth Oct 2013 #1
I loves me some popcorn. BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #3
I am unsure about what you mean by the last statement - but hedgehog Oct 2013 #6
... BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #14
IIRC, health care reform died before Bill Clinton had been in office 6 months. hedgehog Oct 2013 #16
Scoot over. HappyMe Oct 2013 #4
let google tell you beachbum bob Oct 2013 #2
But - tell me what gets you excited about Hillary. hedgehog Oct 2013 #7
My Friend, I'm going to say to a certain extent, I agree. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #5
It was as much the Left as the Right who threw her plan on the floor. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #8
But - did she pick herself up off the floor and try again? hedgehog Oct 2013 #9
This is not a serious question. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #10
Yes it is - did either Clinton push for Health care reform during the rest of his two terms? hedgehog Oct 2013 #11
What was she elected to in the 1990s? BainsBane Oct 2013 #26
Thank you for what you wrote. Beacool Oct 2013 #42
Exactly and just when 2014 is looking better treestar Oct 2013 #56
The Republicans took over Congress! coldmountain Oct 2013 #44
You ignore that HRC and Ira Magaziner developed the plan keeping the Senate karynnj Oct 2013 #28
Useful information. Thanks for the post. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #50
I would like to see a candidate who took on the big dogs to defend the rest of us yurbud Oct 2013 #12
This ^^^^^ hedgehog Oct 2013 #13
Yeah, that's true. HappyMe Oct 2013 #17
The cognitive dissonance is jarring. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #33
I don't understand it myself. HappyMe Oct 2013 #37
That is because DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #53
the handful of shills and their sock puppet identities are not DU yurbud Oct 2013 #35
Take a look at her role in establishing CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program) JohnnyLib2 Oct 2013 #15
I had forgotten that if I ever knew it. hedgehog Oct 2013 #20
You mean her very secondary role to Kennedy, Hatch and Kerry? karynnj Oct 2013 #30
I'm struggling with this, as well,as we cannot afford to lost these midterms and futz around trying libdem4life Oct 2013 #18
isnt she stil for TPP leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #19
Hillarycare was swept aside by Dems--not just the right Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #21
What are her relations with the current crop of Democratic Senators hedgehog Oct 2013 #22
Very strong Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #23
That's a plus for her. hedgehog Oct 2013 #24
She stands for education, an end to human trafficking and slavery BainsBane Oct 2013 #25
Oh, and there it is! HappyMe Oct 2013 #41
You have two kids who are unemployed and paying off student loans? I assume that they are AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27
Underemployed, but yeah. hedgehog Oct 2013 #29
I think that student loans should be repaid, but that traditional rules should be applied. I believe AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #36
Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #51
My biggest problem with her is that she is simply SheilaT Oct 2013 #31
In point of fact, there were a number of people in the race in 1991 - hedgehog Oct 2013 #32
Mario Cuomo was a possible SheilaT Oct 2013 #34
"I do not see her pushing new ideas or really fighting for the little people." ohheckyeah Oct 2013 #40
Also, given all the current anti-NSA sentiment in the public Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #38
I can not help.. stillcool Oct 2013 #39
Hillary in 2016. Yes! kiranon Oct 2013 #43
I've been told that the two people I like are not going to run, hedgehog Oct 2013 #46
Hillary will run and be the most formidable candidate in history coldmountain Oct 2013 #45
She will shoot the republicans with laser beams in her eyes Taverner Oct 2013 #48
We were told that in the run-up to '08. How'd that work out for her? n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #49
LOL, she will not even be the nominee. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #55
Agreed Taverner Oct 2013 #47
Those who were around in 2008 would remember that I wasn't the biggest fan of HRC… regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #52
I do not hate her DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #54
As this thread shows, HRC has stood for more than 'just' women's rights. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #57
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