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51. That's exactly the mentality

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:16 PM

Mar 2012

That is exactly the mentality.

These weak lawmakers and their cronies are not interested in your liberties. I think, therefore, these issues must be addressed from a practical point of view. The evidence showing drug testing is ineffective and not cost effective is plentiful. Governments and companies have now outsourced the task of personnel managment. It is now passe to have a conversation with your worker, look in his eyes, and figure out his state of being at any point in time. There will be people who tell you this is not possible with all the people they manage. If that is the case, then they are poor managers or the organization needs to be adjusted.

I have supervised and have seen first hand the sham of drug testing. There is no replacement for interacting with your employees. There is no replacement for the good knowledge and skill of supervision. You simply can't outsource this work to labs.

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"I have to get drug tested for my job, so why shouldn't people on welfare be tested, too?" [View all] Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 OP

......... Sherman A1 Mar 2012 #1

Because it's a vast waste of money mainer Mar 2012 #2

There is that, too. But faux populist poor-bashing is good for stirring up the base. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #5

Actually in Florida welfare recipients were found LESS likely to test positive csziggy Mar 2012 #11

isn't the governor of florida making money off of his policy newspeak Mar 2012 #36

So is his medical company, Solantic. nt tsuki Mar 2012 #43

Thanks - I couldn't remember if was the Gov or his buddies csziggy Mar 2012 #45

Well if you hadn't given up your right to bargain.... Bennyboy Mar 2012 #3

Florida tried this with welfare recipients titaniumsalute Mar 2012 #4

I am drug tested for my occupation. mick063 Mar 2012 #6

mick...I am also "random" drug tested because I work in public transportation. PearliePoo2 Mar 2012 #21

The problem is that for most non-alcohol drug testing..... PavePusher Mar 2012 #31

My answer is: Take a look at Kestrel's question in post 7. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #47

If you don't mind my asking, where do you work? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #48

Active Duty U.S. Air Force. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #49

What physical danger would testing welfare recipients protect the public from, kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #7

I don't like that "let's test elected officials, too" argument. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #12

Right 2pooped2pop Mar 2012 #18

Freedom B Calm Mar 2012 #29

Unemployment comp is not welfare! B Calm Mar 2012 #32

My mother thought along the same lines. unapatriciated Mar 2012 #34

What really kills me are the drug testing for unemployment benefit bills. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #8

I think the "logic" goes like this The Genealogist Mar 2012 #9

Because you are going to give them the money ANYWAY. aquart Mar 2012 #10

The Republicans only want to spend the money on police and prisons csziggy Mar 2012 #17

How about this: Turbineguy Mar 2012 #13

Our Governor, senators, Representatives must be tested too rustydog Mar 2012 #14

Except that would be unconstitutional. But... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #20

Iam surprised at the hypocritical "concern" about drug use rustydog Mar 2012 #30

Because... Spanky32 Mar 2012 #15

Am I the only one that feels disconnected every time someone says this left is right Mar 2012 #22

Cuz you can change your job. You can't change your welfare. ClassWarrior Mar 2012 #16

Yeah, go after the little people. Let the real welfare addicts off the hook i.e. Big Oil, Wall St, FarLeftFist Mar 2012 #19

And if they have drugs in their system, then what? Sparkly Mar 2012 #23

What does (did) the Florida do to them if positive Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #46

So what would it cost B Calm Mar 2012 #24

Ok That is fine by me as long as the pompous A$$'s demanding it are tested regularly also! sce56 Mar 2012 #25

Screw it, test everybody. Drahthaardogs Mar 2012 #26

If the aim is to save money on "welfare", it might make better sense to take the money which would mother earth Mar 2012 #27

What happen to Probable Cause? B Calm Mar 2012 #28

A lot of people on welfare have to take the bus. Why shouldn't you have to take the bus also? yellowcanine Mar 2012 #33

I wonder if medical labs doing the testing lobbied for this mainer Mar 2012 #35

most likely Johonny Mar 2012 #38

My husband is drug-tested regularly and we're okay with that... cynatnite Mar 2012 #37

In order to get welfare you have to be broke and Drugs cost money Viva Mar 2012 #39

Just my opinion ckimmy57 Mar 2012 #40

the premise really is the elephant in the room iverglas Mar 2012 #41

I've been volunteering to get drug tested every week for onethatcares Mar 2012 #42

That sort of thinking *seems* reasonable Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #44

Do people even know who is on welfare??? KatyMan Mar 2012 #50

That's exactly the mentality Indiana Mar 2012 #51