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renie408

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Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:06 AM Oct 2013

Because there are not enough threads about the South on here lately... [View all]

I am a southerner. I live in The South. I like grits, I go barefoot a lot, I can make a mean gumbo and watermelon is considered dessert in my house many nights in the summer.

We do not own a gun or a Confederate flag.

We do not go to church at all, much less a Baptist church.

We are not conservatives.

I have said this before elsewhere, but I will restate it for the record here: I was born in Charleston, SC; lived in Atlanta, Ga, for much of my childhood; and now live the furthest north I have ever lived, which is about thirty minutes south of Charlotte, NC. My family tree (of which my 82 year old mother is very proud) has governors, Revolutionary War heroes and prominent South Carolinians scattered throughout it's branches. We also have slave owners on my father's side, of which we are not proud at all.

I like it here. This is home.

That does not mean that I do not recognize that the South has problems. BIG problems. But this impression that a lot of DUers seem to have of southerners going around obsessing about the Civil War, waving Confederate flags, singing Dixie and longing for the good ole days of Jim Crow or even slavery is just crazy. Are there racists here? You bet. Show me some place where there AREN'T racists. Are there unintelligent people here? Of course there are. But no more so than anywhere else. In my kid's high school, mixed race couples were common and not really commented upon. Black girls won Homecoming at least twice in the five years that they were in school, as I recall. The cheerleading squad was mixed. I have only heard the 'N' word in conversation a few times IN MY ADULT LIFE and those were with much older, dyed in the wool racists. Actually, even when I was a child (I will be 50 in two months), I would have been spanked HARD if I had ever said that word. I really don't think there is more racism here than anywhere else. I am not denying the experiences of the black DUer who has been the victim of racism his whole life in the South. I am saying that there is no way to tell if his experience in other parts of the country would have been significantly different. Had he been black in Philadelphia I am guessing he may have had just as hard a time. What about something another DUer mentioned...the 'stop and frisk' laws in other places? Where was the last race riot in the South? Of course, some places are less racist than others and there are racists pockets all over the country. But, basically, racism is a form of clannishness and, I am guessing, clannishness is a natural human deal. Racism may morph, but I imagine it will always be an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Now, what we do have here is genuine conservatism. I am thinking that conservatism dovetails quite nicely with the Southern tendency to enjoy tradition and ceremony. The other thing we have down here maybe more than other areas of the country is RELIGION. And religion also enjoys tradition and ceremony. Personally, I think that is probably far more to blame for the way the South votes than anything else. Tell somebody down here that your white kid is dating a black kid and 9 out of 10 people won't blink. Tell them you don't go to church and they give you strange looks. Tell them you are an atheist and they will sidle away from you in a hurry. I am telling you all, religion is a MUCH larger factor in southern conservatism than racism.

Conservatism is, at its heart, the reluctance to accept change. I think that some conservatives EVERYWHERE are becoming more acutely conservative because of the rate of change this country has been experiencing over the past ten years. Everything is changing so fast all the time. Technology, social issues, religion...America today is not much like America just ten years ago.

Come to some place like the South where, I admit it, we literally TALK slower than other regions and the rapidity of change must be seriously intimidating to those people who are reluctant to change in the first place. So, between the fear of change and the influence of religion, politically the South is doubling down on conservatism right now. But the thing is...change is inevitable. I have a lot of friends who have changed parties over the past ten years. They used to vote Republican and now they don't. They may call themselves Independents, but they do not identify with the current Republican party. The South trends more conservative than other areas and may always do so. But it isn't because Johnny Reb wants to refight the War of Northern Aggression all over again. Like have said repeatedly, the only place I ever hear the Civil War mentioned is HERE.

I would also like to point out that this thing of tarring the entire southern half of the country with the same brush is pretty mentally lazy. I am thinking Alabama and Mississippi are a whole 'nother kettle of fish from the rest of us. At least, we were always raised to think that Alabama and Mississippi were sort of the red headed stepchildren of the South, but that may have just been because we were in South Carolina and everybody has to look down on somebody.

Anyway, I go through life with people acting like I should apologize for being an atheist, liberal, Democrat in upstate SC without having to come to the DU and feel like I need to apologize for being born and raised in the South. It is ironic that every other generalization that gets made here is usually leapt upon immediately by the politically correct police, but generalizations about the South are just fine. Another form of clannishness? Maybe.



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well said DrDan Oct 2013 #1
As A Guy From Alabama liberalmike27 Oct 2013 #64
I think you meant to post this to the OP - not my short message DrDan Oct 2013 #84
I love your post. I love the love you have for your state and region cali Oct 2013 #2
What percentage of working class whites in other areas of the country... renie408 Oct 2013 #7
I don't know. I can speak for my state which is 96% white and where a majority cali Oct 2013 #11
Then, you actually have something in common with southern Democrats/liberals. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #53
I think racism and fundamentalist religion.... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #45
I've never heard it said better clydefrand Oct 2013 #3
Almost every time, the first thing we get asked when we meet someone is... renie408 Oct 2013 #8
Strange ajk2821 Oct 2013 #33
Literally been asked that twice in the past week. renie408 Oct 2013 #76
Dang! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #34
I was born in Atlanta, lived in Chattanooga for the 1st 9 years of my life. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #4
Transplanted northerner here (nearly 40 years ago) and I love grits with CHEESE! 1monster Oct 2013 #40
Smoked cheddar jalapeno grits.... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #46
Grits with red eye gravy... Jamastiene Oct 2013 #54
I eat grits with milk and sugar...... rdharma Oct 2013 #61
That is just so wrong on so many levels.... renie408 Oct 2013 #66
Went to an upscale restaurant lately. Shrimp & Grits, Mac & Cheese w/truffle oil. Yum nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #77
In South Dakota, we had grits. Seriously, I do not understand why anyone would use milk gravy. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #70
Usually the gravy includes browned sausage bits. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #73
N/T JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #5
Live in the South anniebelle Oct 2013 #6
I live in the far north of Ohiobama safeinOhio Oct 2013 #24
Thank you very much for this. cordelia Oct 2013 #9
K&R LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #10
"obsessing about the Civil War"... MNBrewer Oct 2013 #12
It has changed. Considerably. cordelia Oct 2013 #14
waving Confederate flags, singing Dixie and longing for the good ole days of Jim Crow or even slaver AlbertCat Oct 2013 #26
30 years is a generation. Hosnon Oct 2013 #78
It's nice that one extra generation did the trick, then. MNBrewer Oct 2013 #85
Each generation sheds its particular themes. Hosnon Oct 2013 #90
What a nice post, renie. brer cat Oct 2013 #13
Some of the friendliest people I ever met were when I lived in South Carolina Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #15
K&R! Dustlawyer Oct 2013 #16
Thank you for posting Island Blue Oct 2013 #17
Thanks for posting this. K&R NorthCarolina Oct 2013 #18
fair enough annabanana Oct 2013 #19
Charleston pamdb Oct 2013 #20
Welcome to DU pamdb! Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #23
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #50
Just in the last month I have been blessed enough to be a part of some spectacular events hosted by Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #21
thank you for your lovely post justabob Oct 2013 #22
Thank you! s-cubed Oct 2013 #25
Thanks, here is something you are going to need for this thread. Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #27
Nice post, maybe the best post ever explaining the south..... Logical Oct 2013 #28
too bad so many stories... stillcool Oct 2013 #29
I get it. Just remember that here is also where analysis, strategizing and tactics take place. ancianita Oct 2013 #30
Outstanding post. jsr Oct 2013 #31
Great post. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #32
LOL, I'm almost all of those ChaoticSilly Oct 2013 #86
"Better things to do" NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #87
Haters of the South (and Texas) will always hate, no matter what. MicaelS Oct 2013 #35
How open-minded of you. GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #88
I lived in SC for 5 yrs (while attending college).. MB and then Charleston for a year after. My glowing Oct 2013 #36
I am from Florence.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #37
Regional chauvinism on DU has long been a sore spot with me Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #38
+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #47
Thanks Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #49
Enormous wealth and enormous poverty leftstreet Oct 2013 #52
Great post and thank you for taking the time.. pangaia Oct 2013 #39
I was born in New England and also lived in Seattle and suburban Phila. and now Raleigh... NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #41
Very well said. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #42
Well said! SoutherDem Oct 2013 #43
What you said. renie408 Oct 2013 #60
I wouldn't liberalmike27 Oct 2013 #71
We are all Americans. roamer65 Oct 2013 #44
Excellent post. pamela Oct 2013 #48
I wanted to be able to Rec your post, but I disagree with a couple things. Jamastiene Oct 2013 #51
The 'War of Northern Aggression' reference... renie408 Oct 2013 #62
Yea liberalmike27 Oct 2013 #74
damned by the south and damned for living in it. obxhead Oct 2013 #69
Beautifully articulated, ma'am/sir! FourScore Oct 2013 #55
There certainly is a place for an Atheist here on DU. I can even ask a question or two about... Tikki Oct 2013 #56
Christianity tells me to be more liberal. roamer65 Oct 2013 #57
Wonderful post. RebelOne Oct 2013 #58
Great post. I live in South, but never get upset when someone criticizes callous Hoyt Oct 2013 #59
Great post malaise Oct 2013 #63
There is nothing quite like a hard day fighting for dems during election season obxhead Oct 2013 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #67
Well, this conversation is officially over. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #68
I've been to the south. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #72
Well, bless your heart, we are going to miss you!! renie408 Oct 2013 #75
The south can keep its god, guns, and racists. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #82
LOL renie408 Oct 2013 #83
This must be the pecwae Oct 2013 #89
You know what. texanwitch Oct 2013 #79
Nice anecdote. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #81
Actually, there are more than enough. Iggo Oct 2013 #80
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