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In reply to the discussion: Have we forgotten the NSA or do people just not give a flying fuck anymore? [View all]hootinholler
(26,451 posts)79. Why do you think this is about "bashing" the President?
I'm surprised (and a little flattered) that you think this is my idea and sad that you think I am about bashing Obama rather than one who disagrees with policy. I seriously thought you knew me better than to think that.
Did you actually go see what this is about?
Did you look at the list of over 100 organizations (yes, a couple are libertarian leaning) who are coming together over this? You know that the ACLU loves to bash Obama. Apparently in your mind so does the American Library Association.
Did you look at the petition the rally is delivering to Congress? Please sign it, I'll save you a click to read it:
Dear Members of Congress,
We write to express our concern about recent reports published in the Guardian and the Washington Post, and acknowledged by the Obama Administration, which reveal secret spying by the National Security Agency (NSA) on phone records and Internet activity of people in the United States.
The Washington Post and the Guardian recently published reports based on information provided by an intelligence contractor showing how the NSA and the FBI are gaining broad access to data collected by nine of the leading U.S. Internet companies and sharing this information with foreign governments. As reported, the U.S. government is extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person's movements and contacts over time. As a result, the contents of communications of people both abroad and in the U.S. can be swept in without any suspicion of crime or association with a terrorist organization.
Leaked reports also published by the Guardian and confirmed by the Administration reveal that the NSA is also abusing a controversial section of the PATRIOT Act to collect the call records of millions of Verizon customers. The data collected by the NSA includes every call made, the time of the call, the duration of the call, and other "identifying information" for millions of Verizon customers, including entirely domestic calls, regardless of whether those customers have ever been suspected of a crime. The Wall Street Journal has reported that other major carriers, including AT&T and Sprint, are subject to similar secret orders.
This type of blanket data collection by the government strikes at bedrock American values of freedom and privacy. This dragnet surveillance violates the First and Fourth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution, which protect citizens' right to speak and associate anonymously, guard against unreasonable searches and seizures, and protect their right to privacy.
We are calling on Congress to take immediate action to halt this surveillance and provide a full public accounting of the NSA's and the FBI's data collection programs. We call on Congress to immediately and publicly:
1
Enact reform this Congress to Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act, the state secrets privilege, and the FISA Amendments Act to make clear that blanket surveillance of the Internet activity and phone records of any person residing in the U.S. is prohibited by law and that violations can be reviewed in adversarial proceedings before a public court;
2
Create a special committee to investigate, report, and reveal to the public the extent of this domestic spying. This committee should create specific recommendations for legal and regulatory reform to end unconstitutional surveillance;
3
Hold accountable those public officials who are found to be responsible for this unconstitutional surveillance.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Have we forgotten the NSA or do people just not give a flying fuck anymore? [View all]
hootinholler
Oct 2013
OP
In polls? Okay. If that will help you sleep better at night, more power to you.
BlueCaliDem
Oct 2013
#52
Isn't "meh" and "we live in the real world" more than just a bit passive-aggressive?
leveymg
Oct 2013
#65
When you make condescending remarks, you should expect third-party responses in kind.
leveymg
Oct 2013
#85
LOL, South American and European countries have their own version of the NSA.
KittyWampus
Oct 2013
#76
The System never does a 180 on a dime. The program is so big it will take a while, but the issue is
leveymg
Oct 2013
#35
I care. I can't attend, but have donated. I thought there would be events on the West Coast
deurbano
Oct 2013
#19
Anyone who thinks their stuff is private online or on air waves is ignorant.This crap has been going
judesedit
Oct 2013
#28
part of the grave damage caused by the radical right who dominate the U.S. House of Representatives
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2013
#30
The gov't knows everything about us, though we're innocent; while we know little about them.
snot
Oct 2013
#33
People realize if we didn't have the NSA we would have zero intel in this cyber-era and that would
CK_John
Oct 2013
#43
we're also celebrating a budget with more"austerity" han the original "Ryan Budget"
Doctor_J
Oct 2013
#50
Do you have useful concrete proposals for reform? Or are you promoting the usual libertarian
struggle4progress
Oct 2013
#53
I am so glad I scrolled down to your post. You helped me maintain my composure.
KittyWampus
Oct 2013
#77
Spying on Americans is cool with the new moderate Democrats. Party First! nt
Demo_Chris
Oct 2013
#73
My plan is to wait until a repuke is elected president, then act outraged and shocked about this
hughee99
Oct 2013
#82
No, just once again the stunning vileness of the fugpublicans has deferred other issues. Nt.
Warren Stupidity
Oct 2013
#80