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9. Quentin Kopp's still around?

Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:39 PM

Oct 2013

That explains the early plans and the focus on grand "futuristic" stations over something actual people will use.

The original plans were rather bloated and grandiose: there was a proposal to build an elevated track - essentially a wall - through my town, with a parking structure for several thousand vehicles that would occupy most of the downtown business district. Cooler heads pointed out that for a fraction of the cost they could improve the existing tracks (which have been here for 150 years and still work fine), put in more grade separations so they could run more and faster trains, and get the thing done in a normal human lifetime.

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Work begins on Calif. bullet train, locals angry [View all] Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 OP

I am a firm believer in mass transit gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1

Having ridden the trains of Europe and Japan I also love the idea. Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #21

Looking at that map nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #23

that's excellent gopiscrap Oct 2013 #32

It is going to be the biggest money pit of all times. I live in Ca. and I've seen projects started demosincebirth Oct 2013 #55

I'm worried that this isn't going to make it through the courts ripcord Oct 2013 #59

This is nothing new for California. The Century Freeway in LA took nearly that long...not really, libdem4life Oct 2013 #2

I am totally for this. Tikki Oct 2013 #3

The Central Valley is dominated by Freepers, Tea Baggers Cleita Oct 2013 #4

people are not Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #5

Then you need to get your elected politicians on it. Cleita Oct 2013 #6

umm, its Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #7

I can't make out your text speak. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #10

Huh? Iggo Oct 2013 #11

No . . . Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #18

Dearie, you are so caught up in Fresno, you forget about Cleita Oct 2013 #38

horseshit reddread Oct 2013 #42

And everyone seems to miss that when we talk of the Cleita Oct 2013 #43

the fourth largest city in CA reddread Oct 2013 #63

Apparently there is no talking to someone who can't Cleita Oct 2013 #66

Five Points is the center of the universe reddread Oct 2013 #75

Just to be clear, in my original post I didn't mention Fresno. Cleita Oct 2013 #79

here is the problem- you keep lumping people together reddread Oct 2013 #82

If you see that in my post that also mentioned that the Democrats are Cleita Oct 2013 #86

the force of hate is strong here reddread Oct 2013 #92

I need to make a point to check it out. Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #70

I'm looking at the route and it does go through Fresno. Cleita Oct 2013 #47

It's going to have to "skirt over hills" no matter what. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #56

Yeah, stupid rubes. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #64

Actually, they stand to benefit from it, but I'd rather Cleita Oct 2013 #67

talk about self centered reddread Oct 2013 #76

My "special place" is just as right wing and conservative as yours so Cleita Oct 2013 #81

lol reddread Oct 2013 #84

Good. I get tired of trying to educate those Cleita Oct 2013 #88

the day you can educate me aint coming reddread Oct 2013 #93

There are always NIMBY issues when building our country's infrastructure. TeamPooka Oct 2013 #8

Yup. Best example of NIMBYs: Initech Oct 2013 #27

more jobs and better pay at an airport too. I'm in LA so I know of that story TeamPooka Oct 2013 #36

Orange County is ultra red and upper class. Initech Oct 2013 #41

Wow, where to even start, so many errors in your post rufus dog Oct 2013 #60

you're bringing facts to circular firing squad? how rude reddread Oct 2013 #65

Quentin Kopp's still around? Retrograde Oct 2013 #9

You have to force Californians to make improvements and the entire time they Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #12

It was the same way with BART in the bay area. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #20

BART does not equal LA Metrorail. former9thward Oct 2013 #49

Did I say BART equaled LA Metrorail? Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #50

As the OP points out this is not mass transit. former9thward Oct 2013 #51

I'm not sure they are starting the project in the right place either. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #52

*sigh* Some of this funding was supposed to come our state's way... TheMightyFavog Oct 2013 #13

And OF COURSE we can't have a route to Vegas.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #14

Ha...but guess who would be the majority of those Bat Out of Hell Drivers off to Sin City libdem4life Oct 2013 #15

To listen to the Right Wing it's fine upstanding hubands giving in to temptation... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #34

Hadn't thought of the tourists in Disneyland idea. Was thinking more of the locals. libdem4life Oct 2013 #37

That is a very busy corridor between LA and Vegas.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #39

Just noticed on the map that the eastern route is Victorville to Vegas..kind of defeats the purpose. libdem4life Oct 2013 #40

Basically, they didn't think it was possible to get the rights to go any closer to LA. jeff47 Oct 2013 #78

Make sense. Few things more depressing than a "giant parking lot in Victorville", however? libdem4life Oct 2013 #83

Of course not. That would be half the distance, a third the cost, and be profitable almost Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #68

Even standard rail was VERY popular. They used to have a "gamblers express".... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #69

Two out of every three dollars that comes into Las Vegas comes through SoCal. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #73

There is no high speed rail in America and people want it so OF COURSE they can't have it... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #74

It's interesting comparing the contrasting corruptions of SF/LA/California and Las Vegas/Nevada. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #91

In Vegas there is a strong cab union. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #94

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't chart the course between Vegas and Palm Springs. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #87

They are building a route to Vegas Nevernose Oct 2013 #77

It's a rights issue jeff47 Oct 2013 #80

Partly Nevernose Oct 2013 #89

Yep, I've driven that route multiple times. jeff47 Oct 2013 #90

The only way it makes sense is if it's stage one.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #85

There is a huge error in the whole premise of the story Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #16

And the state is in positive territory currently nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #19

It's hilarious when teabaggers say all the wealthy people will leave California Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #22

I went to the doc the other day nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #24

I would love to meet Mitt Romney face to face. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #25

Yeah but he is a private citizen now nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #26

I still have the same opinion of him. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #28

Depends, as Press we get to places some people don't nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #29

Of course it's different for the press. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #30

I was educated in History nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #31

You are correct. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #33

I for one look forward some day to riding that yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #17

That area is Full of Wingnuts who believe Conspiracy Theories about Govt JI7 Oct 2013 #35

thats just me reddread Oct 2013 #95

What is Calif? Is that like Cali? Rex Oct 2013 #44

Calif. was the abbreviation we once used on envelopes before Cleita Oct 2013 #45

Slang from somewhere. Rex Oct 2013 #46

Interesting calif. Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #48

I'm sure there are provisions for this, Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #53

In that part of the state the biggest risk would be terrorist cows on the track. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #57

They're using just about the stupidest possible route, LeftyMom Oct 2013 #54

+1 Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #71

+2 Throd Oct 2013 #72

Anything would be better than what we have now even if it is a little slow in the cities. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #58

Of course it can be built and of course it will have cost overruns. Live and Learn Oct 2013 #61

Needs to be high speed. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #62