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In reply to the discussion: The Crazy Left [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)259. How do you define 'far left'? Was FDR 'far left' with his social programs and concerns for the
poor and working class? I hear that phrase over and over but when asked to define it, we rarely get into the issues, which is how we define the left and the right.
I encountered it mostly on Right Wing sites and up to fairly recently never saw it on Democratic Forums. So exactly how do you determine who is what we are now told is the faction that is as bad as the insane TP, in this party?
As for this:
They would get father down the road to getting the society that they claim to want if they would get off their high horses and work with people that fundamentally share their core values instead of finger pointing and going into character assassination.
Who on the Left here has posted OP after OP 'character assassinating' DUers?? We have had multiple OPs attacking DUers here with labels, too many to list here such as 'emoprogs' 'crazy left' etc filled with the same kind of attacks you expect to see only from disrupters who want to divide this party. And when WE respond to them, it bothers people? Well that's too bad because I have always responded to attacks on Democrats from the first day I posted on the internet. And will continue to do so before their attacks are accepted as even close to being true.
WE, the 'Left' that you refer to just got finished with ten years of doing EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY WE SHOULD DO. We 'got off our high horses' and worked with our party, making concession after concession in 'order to get things done'. AND WHERE DID ALL THAT GET US??
All it did was give POWER to the most insane people in politics which they used to practically bring down the government.
So now we want to see our Party do what they should have done. never compromise with people who are WRONG on policies, who have had ten years of concessions (Reid has even admitted this) and all that did was to make things far, far worse than they were for millions of people.
I'm sorry if you think we should just STFU. We did that, now it's way past time for US on the Left, to start making demands rather than allowing the most insane factions to be the ones making demands while we are expected to keep conceding more ground to them.
If that is what you view as the Left, speaking up, making demands for a better society as the 'faction' being attacked here, then I could not disagree with you more.
We need TOUGH leaders. Leaders who will NOT negotiate away the people's best interests. We needed that long ago.
So we saw how not conceding works finally. Just as the 'crazy left' has been saying for so long.. Let's hope from now there will be the same commitment to not caving to them that we just saw and enough of the nonsense that we 'can't win'. We don't win when we dont fight.
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So this new attack on Dems comes from the top of the party then? I wondered why it has
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#280
discourse gets gradually emptied over time: the Red Scares were *purges*, distorting the acceptable
MisterP
Oct 2013
#91
centrists of the democratic variety have been dangerous to the country for longer than the tea party
xchrom
Oct 2013
#15
Perhaps the Tea Party was developed to make the radical agenda above look sane
BuelahWitch
Oct 2013
#72
(1) Eliminate the cap. (2) Impose the SS tax on all foreign sourced income as well.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#108
Nothing says crazy quite so much as being right, thus the label and bipartisan refusal to make
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2013
#29
"Corporations should pay extra taxes if the military is used for their gain."
Kermitt Gribble
Oct 2013
#132
If you know it when you see it, why not explain it to the rest of us? That's all anyone is asking.
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#235
You missed the bat signal for the Posse? The very existence of that thread makes your
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#248
I am a crazy lefty. I dont like to see children go hungry and without health care. Ok, now it's
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#252
Let me remind you that it was you that dumped that strawman picture in here w/o
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#271
Doesn't do much for my case? My case is that liberals should be valued, even if you don't agree.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#147
They arent here to enter into intellectual discussions. It appears to me that they are here
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#251
Having just gone through what our family has gone through, it is hard for me to contain the anger
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#278
And I think it is you that gives us hope. Keep fighting the good fight. We will prevail. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#281
So you have no point? Except that you obviously dont know what a strawman
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#246
Well you can quote a definition. But can you explain why you think it's necessary
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#253
I dont like people that spew hatred for the left. It's damaging to our Party. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#257
Lots of moral flexibility within the party lately on the whole collateral murder issue.
pa28
Oct 2013
#196
Checking in Sabrina, a proud member in good standing here and I'm not willing to to be fooled
louslobbs
Oct 2013
#74
Well, this IS a Democratic Forum. Naturally people expect to see Democratic Policies and principles
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#236
I could hear you (and others) a lot better if you quit screeching in my ear -
IrishAyes
Oct 2013
#241
Well, that was a nice rant, filled with personal attacks against ME. I would have preferred to
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#262
Your constant trashing of Democrats is not a "Democratic Principle"...
ConservativeDemocrat
Oct 2013
#242
Well, there you go again, as someone once said. Posting a comment filled with personal attacks
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#244
I am a Moderate-Liberal. Every test and personality measure that I respond to confirm what
bluestate10
Oct 2013
#249
How do you define 'far left'? Was FDR 'far left' with his social programs and concerns for the
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#259
Please be specific. Give examples where the "far" left makes you go cold. Is it their insistance
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#272
And you get 'crickets'. This is what needs to be emphasized and challenged over and over again.
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#279
And if you want to identify with the conservatives, so be it. I just wonder how you pass the
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#273
part of the grave damage caused by the radical right who dominate the U.S. House of Representatives
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2013
#96
'Crazy Left' ideas here: 1 eliminate the Cap on SS income. 2 A financial transactions tax 3 Public
Vincardog
Oct 2013
#129
Hey vincardog. That's a great list. And EACH one of those is reality in Europe
BelgianMadCow
Oct 2013
#137
What has happened in Greece should be a warning to the rest of the world. I'm not surprised by
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#237
Question: When is the last time a "crazy leftist" was in a position of ANY power in this country?
Doctor_J
Oct 2013
#162
Crazy left: no war on Syria (great outcome). CL: don't back down on debt ceiling (great outcome),
grahamhgreen
Oct 2013
#169
"That there's simply no possibility of going too far in a leftward political direction"...
YoungDemCA
Oct 2013
#197
It's not unusual for Neoliberals to take a left position on social issues.
Skeeter Barnes
Oct 2013
#202
Yes, that's probably a better way of putting it. Didn't really think of that.
Skeeter Barnes
Oct 2013
#238
No I don't have you pegged. I don't know you. And no, this wasn't just a reaction to your OP
sabrina 1
Oct 2013
#269
K&R. There is no Left in American politics right now, of any significance...
YoungDemCA
Oct 2013
#198
I think a lot of the people here that might get pegged as leftist are really centrists.
Skeeter Barnes
Oct 2013
#203
Harry Reid has the most power of anyone on "the left" at the moment. comparing him to the likes of
Erose999
Oct 2013
#225
I've been known as a Crazy Lefty since the 70's. Called a few other things, besides.
ancianita
Oct 2013
#243