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Curmudgeoness

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180. I see it differently.

Sun Oct 20, 2013, 04:20 PM

Oct 2013

I have to agree that the GOP is unwilling to negotiate and that we should not be negotiating with them on important issues. But I do think that if they had some wiggle room in this shutdown threat, we would not have gone as far as we did. And that hurt the country. Yes, it was their fault and I am glad to see it laid at their feet by a majority of the people. But I think that if they would have had something, anything, to negotiate on, they might have. They were just trying to save face when they were embarrassingly painted into a corner. I think it would have been better to have had things on the table that we didn't even want, just so that they could say we backed down too. Then we all could have gotten out of it without the fiasco that we had.

It's called politics.

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Heads-Up !!! - 'Why Democrats Might Cave On Social Security Cuts' - HuffPo [View all] WillyT Oct 2013 OP

Et tu Dick Durbin? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #269

No. Raise the cap on payments. It's called Fair Share. No cuts. Expand the funding base. libdem4life Oct 2013 #2

This! n/t dobleremolque Oct 2013 #30

It need a step more thatn removing the caps Cryptoad Oct 2013 #103

SO the richest 100 people might be eligible for 260k annual retirement benefits FogerRox Oct 2013 #172

You don't need a cap--just a very slowly increasing upward slope n/t eridani Oct 2013 #257

Does that sound like a means test? FogerRox Oct 2013 #276

No-it already exists eridani Oct 2013 #288

Bend points are not considered a means test FogerRox Oct 2013 #292

return to the 90% cap, or create 23 million jobs @36k FogerRox Oct 2013 #121

$90 Billion...had no idea. That would probably be easier (?) than SS changes. libdem4life Oct 2013 #179

I thought the same thing when I did the math.... FogerRox Oct 2013 #201

That makes sense. Because once you open up the SS conversation, kind of like a genie in a bottle. libdem4life Oct 2013 #206

Raise the cap. n/t Alkene Oct 2013 #167

Has anyone done figures on this at various levels? libdem4life Oct 2013 #181

CBO FogerRox Oct 2013 #211

Now I remember why I wasn't an accountant...appreciate the explanation. Put in minimum wage libdem4life Oct 2013 #219

The government has treated SS as a revenue stream to avoid raising taxes so raise the cap or, emsimon33 Oct 2013 #250

It almost seems hopeless when a battle has to be fought on all fronts. Autumn Oct 2013 #3

When a prominent Democrat like Durbin LIES through his teeth to the detriment of poor people 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #4

He's a fucking dino. L0oniX Oct 2013 #8

He's also a Dick. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #11

He's both. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #85

Durbin is not welcome in Palm Springs he voted for DOMA so he should stay among Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #79

I quit donating to Durbin when he first expressed his support for cuts to social security. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #84

And he IS lying. SS is NOT in trouble, and the Baby Boomers, contrary to his false claims are the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #173

Thank you sabrina 1 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #200

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #203

k&r idwiyo Oct 2013 #238

Cut 50% from the biggest entitlement program of all - the Defense Dept budget tularetom Oct 2013 #5

I agree with you however Heather MC Oct 2013 #71

Support Elizabeth Warren. I bet she knows how to make the right cuts. She is good at math. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #158

A US military 50% of its present size is still too large. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #93

Actually the size of the military personnel wise is small nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #100

Whatever we throw the money at is what should be cut. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #105

Agreed nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #113

We should close some of our overseas bases to start with. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #162

The costs are not in the bases nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #168

many times the host countries pay the operating costs of littlewolf Oct 2013 #224

Cut 50% from the biggest entitlement program of all - the Defense Dept budget AlbertCat Oct 2013 #151

A chained CPI would be a really great way ... dawg Oct 2013 #6

That's right. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #55

I think this is political chess. The Repubs want SS cuts, but none of them campaign on it with okaawhatever Oct 2013 #80

That's why we must stand against it. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #109

Based on his actions, I would say that it's Durbin's mission to derail Democratic victories. gtar100 Oct 2013 #81

It figures that the talk shows would have Durbin on there to LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #98

But it would only defeat those of us that don't count. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #99

Any change in Social Security benefits that results in a decrease is a DEFAULT JDPriestly Oct 2013 #164

I hadn't looked at it that way. It's certainly true, though. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #185

Sadly the other creditors like it dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #236

I'd bet you cash money that's what's coming. Obama has been maneuvering for SS cuts Marr Oct 2013 #244

But democrats being democrats, we all have to worry about their lack of a spine. truedelphi Oct 2013 #280

Raise the cap and cut the military. Stop blaming the boomers ya fuckin sociopaths! L0oniX Oct 2013 #7

PLUS! this one....nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #101

Well said. polichick Oct 2013 #117

The push should be to contact every Democrat in Congress AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #9

Perfect timing. This will revitalize the GOP. It's nothing but a gift to Republicans. jsr Oct 2013 #10

Do you think so? If the Repubs push SS cuts what will happen to their large senior base? I think okaawhatever Oct 2013 #96

How are we putting it in the lap of the republicans when a senior Democratic senator tularetom Oct 2013 #135

It's not lost on me that the person who spoke on Fox has one of the safest Senate seats. Not okaawhatever Oct 2013 #187

Why would seniors vote Democratic when the biggest push to screw with SS Leontius Oct 2013 #165

Are you seriously suggesting letting cuts to seniors to go through just so 'we can get their votes'? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #247

From April 10th 2013 damnedifIknow Oct 2013 #12

My definition of smarter must senseandsensibility Oct 2013 #15

Don't forget, "Some in my party are too tied to entitlements" Doctor_J Oct 2013 #18

First they'll have to get out of denial. When he offered it up before some kept telling me it didn't cui bono Oct 2013 #33

Me too. pangaia Oct 2013 #52

Well, if the President wants it, it is something good, something we should all embrace. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #111

Hillary will agree to those cuts. Support Elizabeth Warren. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #171

don't jinx warren. your support for smoove johnny was enough. nt dionysus Oct 2013 #240

John Edwards was the only candidate who had the right take on the economy. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #246

Ironically, Hillary took SS off the table. joshcryer Oct 2013 #253

As I recall the debates, Obama suggested raising the cap, and Hillary disagreed. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #254

Clinton was trying to shed the "partisan" image that she had. joshcryer Oct 2013 #255

Clinton suggested a bipartisan commission. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #258

Precisely. joshcryer Oct 2013 #259

In 2004, Obama suggested raising the cap. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #260

He's suggested it all the way up until September of 2012! joshcryer Oct 2013 #261

Good Fact Check! Thank for posting this and the strategy that could KoKo Oct 2013 #266

"Everything is on the table." - Obama ... 2008. joshcryer Oct 2013 #252

Too say- ruffburr Oct 2013 #13

To say that is being too generous. Dems have to want this too or they wouldn't be offering it up cui bono Oct 2013 #32

Better plan, solve this on SEVERAL FRONTS. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #57

I believe you nailed it with just the first one, raising the cap. cui bono Oct 2013 #65

In 2008 Obama ran on raising the cap, this won my vote and he never mentioned it Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #87

And now he wants to have a Chained CPI. cui bono Oct 2013 #91

No, but he got unlimited income on 3% hike for medicare. That's a huge increase. nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #104

Something is rotten, alright. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #116

Raising the cap to 90% of taxable income covers 1/3rd of the projected shortfall, from the CBO: FogerRox Oct 2013 #136

Thanks for the info! cui bono Oct 2013 #144

thanks, just doing my job as a DU Social Security Defender FogerRox Oct 2013 #161

That's a good chart that puts some things in perspective. Hoyt Oct 2013 #155

Yes it is. Some back ground: FogerRox Oct 2013 #170

Jobs are clearly the key, but those projections are based on employment levels, Hoyt Oct 2013 #175

4 different projections by the SS Trustees FogerRox Oct 2013 #199

Once again, assuming things go as planned. We might have an unemployment rate double today's by Hoyt Oct 2013 #221

wrong, they are not based in historical averages FogerRox Oct 2013 #230

So projections are quite optimistic - GDP growth greater than we've seen in awhile, and Hoyt Oct 2013 #233

No, the SS Trustees projections are based on conservative estimates. FogerRox Oct 2013 #275

That's the point, we haven't met those projections in awhile. Yet Hoyt Oct 2013 #281

Whats a awhile? 5-10 years? FogerRox Oct 2013 #282

Where are all those jobs coming from? Ask the Japanese how things have Hoyt Oct 2013 #283

Please answer the question FogerRox Oct 2013 #285

Do you see any sign that is about to happen? Hoyt Oct 2013 #287

You are right. Nothing wrong with Social Security that more jobs and a higher minimum JDPriestly Oct 2013 #176

Yes, well said, when it was clear the USSR would fall, things did change FogerRox Oct 2013 #208

Thanks. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #213

Certainly that is a direct fix for social security but.... Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #159

Your not counting the Unearned Income Medicare Contribution Tax of 3.8% FogerRox Oct 2013 #216

OK, but if we can close some loopholes so they actually PAY 40% I'll be happy. nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #222

We're at a historically low point for loopholes. FogerRox Oct 2013 #228

I am very disappointed in Durbin senseandsensibility Oct 2013 #14

It wouldn't really be a cave-in since the president himself suggested them Doctor_J Oct 2013 #16

Yep. And would you believe I got attacked for saying that now that Obama opened up SS cui bono Oct 2013 #31

They're so damn eager to please their true masters......nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #118

Cave-in is not the right wording. The word is default. It would be a default. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #189

Good point. The president made much political hay during the shutdown about Doctor_J Oct 2013 #190

The government can't go broke anyway. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #205

But it can refuse to pay a debt, such as the debt it owes to the Social Security Trust Fund. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #210

The Baby Boom generation? tavernier Oct 2013 #17

ding ding ding ... thread winner! littlewolf Oct 2013 #20

You started two unnecessary counterproductive wars. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #123

Exactly. Statistically speaking in 20 years 50% of Boomers will be dead FogerRox Oct 2013 #140

Right. My sister and I delivered ads door to door. I was maybe 7-9 at the time. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #191

Exactly Nite Owl Oct 2013 #24

I remember them raising the retirement age for us baby boomers, B Calm Oct 2013 #44

They also raised our payroll taxes, supposedly to fund SS in perpetuity. Looks Nay Oct 2013 #78

Actually it was going to fund SS in perpetuity FogerRox Oct 2013 #157

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Oct 2013 #47

+ 1000 SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #59

Social Security IS AN ENTITLEMENT. RebelOne Oct 2013 #68

Not the way the rethugs use it. The money IS yours no doubt about that. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #76

Exactly. Entitlement is NOT a bad word. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #92

legally its an entitlement, the original 1935 law has the word FogerRox Oct 2013 #229

+1 G_j Oct 2013 #69

When the trust fund has been spent all the $ you contributed is gone to pay others. dkf Oct 2013 #77

If "pay it forward" was the reason it was depleted tavernier Oct 2013 #89

The general fund "borrowed" that money. That is the trust fund that will deplete. dkf Oct 2013 #90

Oh, cool! tavernier Oct 2013 #106

Yeah we the tax payer pay interest for the general fund's borrowing from our social security fund. dkf Oct 2013 #129

All the SSTF money is there. Always has been. FogerRox Oct 2013 #152

not only did we put money in every day of our working lives, we put *extra* money in because magical thyme Oct 2013 #108

That's the whole game, isn't it? Divide & conquer BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #207

!!!!! Exactly! KoKo Oct 2013 #267

K&R n/t Dalai_1 Oct 2013 #19

They're counting on our fatigue to push through SS and Medicaid cuts instead of raising 1% taxes leveymg Oct 2013 #21

The point is, though, Nay Oct 2013 #112

The answer is: leveymg Oct 2013 #148

Democrats are mentioning it, very covertly and cleverly, on the Cleita Oct 2013 #22

And of course after next year's midterm disaster, it will be the liberals fault Doctor_J Oct 2013 #35

We will hear exactly that meme right here on the DU. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #127

We're supposed to believe (again) that the Ponies frightened away undecided voters? leveymg Oct 2013 #178

I don't think that conservative penis is so big pangaia Oct 2013 #60

Yes. They are compensating. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #128

Many of those wackos have small feet. pangaia Oct 2013 #147

OK, Dick, the People demand that Congress return every cent of the money it stole from our Social Zorra Oct 2013 #23

That is great info to put in a letter to our senators/reps. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #56

You're welcome. It is what it is, and what it is is OUR money. Zorra Oct 2013 #67

That's why it's so important for those of us with dem reps to keep on them. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #75

Fuck The Corp Wing of the Dem Party fredamae Oct 2013 #25

Most Democrats are cast members, along with all of the Republicans in this distracting, but sad tale Dustlawyer Oct 2013 #26

Income Cap Bobcat Oct 2013 #27

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #37

it is considered a tax handmade34 Oct 2013 #38

social security would be extremely easy to fix. airplaneman Oct 2013 #45

If you tax stocks, you tax pension plans. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #51

If you tax stock transactions, you tax transactions made by pension plans. So what? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #94

"Day trader" was not mentioned in the post to which I replied. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #215

Taxing stocks was not mentioned in that post either, but you made that assumption Dragonfli Oct 2013 #263

Obviously they do not want to fix it. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #130

There is no problem with Social Security FogerRox Oct 2013 #149

If anyone finds the video clip of this little exchange Oilwellian Oct 2013 #28

Durbin needs a little lesson on how SS does not contribute to the deficit. cui bono Oct 2013 #29

Maybe he has a point, if people would THINK about it. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #34

That's it exactly - eom dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #239

HOW can these men be such abject LIARS?? Do they think we cannot access the real truth in numbers?? WinkyDink Oct 2013 #36

Winky, they do not care if we can access the truth. djean111 Oct 2013 #256

Your point makes me want to cry. I'll be 64 soon, and that, God willing, leads to sixty-five. I've WinkyDink Oct 2013 #268

This baby boomer and husband.... dawnie51 Oct 2013 #39

My letter to my three: CrispyQ Oct 2013 #40

Social Security is a separately funded program. what is their lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #41

They want to raid the SS fund. IT needs to be in a LOCK BOX. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #62

Gore was right, and the msm laughed lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #131

Yeah but they laugh about a lot of stuff that isn't funny. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #141

I sure do lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #192

Get our Living Wage Jobs back into this country would extend Social Security for at least forever. RC Oct 2013 #42

One thing my centrist senator Mark Begich has done right Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #43

Centrists say anything that works that day. Obama has proposed raising the cap Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #102

I think you may be being a little harsh on Mark, Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #115

K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #46

Going after BY NAME the "BBG" is a shameless attempt to get the "YOUTH VOTE." Rule for the 14-yr-old WinkyDink Oct 2013 #48

You're wrong Oilwellian Oct 2013 #95

And that makes my comments wrong how? WinkyDink Oct 2013 #214

Your last sentence left me with the impression... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #226

If they would worry more about getting jobs back to the US Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #49

We would also be paying all sorts of other taxes! CrispyQ Oct 2013 #70

Correct. creating 20 million jobs @ 36k each adds about 89 billion in additional FICA FogerRox Oct 2013 #145

Maybe they should stop the push for TPP. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #138

I have always been of the opinion that these trade agreements Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #146

The investment class has been the one and only real beneficiary. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #154

Right? Give Durbin a piece of your mind. I did. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #150

Bravo! Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #166

I've BEEN to Mexico and it's true!! Barter is part of the fun of shopping there. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #174

I see it differently. Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #180

Yeah, like divorce court - ask for 10x what you need to get what you do need. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #184

I had a sign libdude Oct 2013 #50

Yeah, what part of "NO" don't you understand? is a good one. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #223

Why Democrats Might Cave On Social Security Cuts Nuh Uh Oct 2013 #53

@ Dick Durbin, Esteemed Senator, Have you lost your mind or just your spine? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #73

Should we not Primary the Democratic Party Traitors aintitfunny Oct 2013 #54

What about campaign escrow accounts? dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #241

Mind-blowing!!! avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #58

We need a counter bill to lower SS to at least age 50yrs. This will generate a lot of CK_John Oct 2013 #61

Now now now, let's not get our undies in a bunch. progressoid Oct 2013 #63

Better yet, wait until the president signs it. jsr Oct 2013 #72

But why just sit back and let it get that far? Brigid Oct 2013 #86

That's the point of the sarcasm. cui bono Oct 2013 #97

Yep. The "hair on fire" meme.... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #217

Yeah, and we shouldn't be getting our panties in a bunch about stuff Nay Oct 2013 #107

Of course if he signs it, then it must be good. So there won't be any reason to complain. progressoid Oct 2013 #195

Yep. It's time for the elderly and disabled to sacrifice for the greater good jsr Oct 2013 #197

Like the last 1342;2nou4123n times nothing happened? regards uponit7771 Oct 2013 #160

Or like the time he abandoned plans to bomb Syria due to public pressure. progressoid Oct 2013 #198

so dems are back to bending over for repubs? well that "spine" didnt last long lol nt msongs Oct 2013 #64

Durbin Has Been Going DINO For Some Time colsohlibgal Oct 2013 #66

*****NOT THIS HOF SHIT AGAIN !!! ****** uponit7771 Oct 2013 #74

SS DOES NOT ADD ONE NICKEL TO THE DEFICIT! grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #83

***WHAT DOES HOF MEAN???**** morningfog Oct 2013 #120

****I DON'T HOF KNOW***** cui bono Oct 2013 #122

Hair On Fire, basically bringing up negative speculative narrative that 9.5 out of 10 fails. The ... uponit7771 Oct 2013 #156

Obama's budget is not speculation. Nor are his words in favor of cuts, or Durbin's which are the Dragonfli Oct 2013 #183

****PATHETIC ATTEMPT ON YOUR PART TO DISTRACT**** Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #143

+++++++************---------NO IT'S NOT*****////////////+++++++++++++ uponit7771 Oct 2013 #163

what is HOF? Dragonfli Oct 2013 #169

Hair On Fire --- GOP perpetuated crises Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #177

How is that supposed to apply to Durbin's view that we should cut SS, because Baby Boomers? Dragonfli Oct 2013 #188

We, the Baby Boomers, paid extra... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #82

Because the idea is to STEAL the money, not fix the SS system. The fixes are Nay Oct 2013 #125

Exactly right! n/t ljm2002 Oct 2013 #132

How much of it have they already borrowed? marlakay Oct 2013 #220

Lift The Cap global1 Oct 2013 #88

Durbin is worthless as a Democrat, so far to the right that he wants to slash Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #110

hey asshole, most of us boomers have been paying into ss for 40/50 years spanone Oct 2013 #114

One corporate party, two faces. Wake up people. polichick Oct 2013 #119

And only a few pimples fighting for us. cui bono Oct 2013 #124

Ha! True dat. polichick Oct 2013 #126

I guess they want to lose the midterm elections. n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #133

National security dictates millions of seniors be thrown into poverty by cutting social security indepat Oct 2013 #134

Both of my parents paid in and NEVER collected a cent Lifelong Protester Oct 2013 #137

BS! Raise the ceiling on SS. Problem solved. Raise taxes on wealthy to balance biudget on point Oct 2013 #139

The baby boomers paid extra into the Social Security Trust Fund since the 1980s to cover their JDPriestly Oct 2013 #142

Shhh! There's a loyalty check roadblock just up the thread. leveymg Oct 2013 #182

The 1983 Tip O'neil/Ronald Reagan SS deal. FogerRox Oct 2013 #204

That headline isn't confirmed anywhere in the article. George II Oct 2013 #153

This is GD not LBN. leveymg Oct 2013 #186

Bingo! More assumptions than I could imagine to get to that "conclusion" about what he said George II Oct 2013 #193

Durbin seems clear enough in this statement: ""Social Security is gonna run out of money in 20 years leveymg Oct 2013 #194

Durbin is full of shit. duffyduff Oct 2013 #202

Okay, where did he say "so we need to cut benefits"? George II Oct 2013 #234

So what, ask me if I care..... FogerRox Oct 2013 #212

Ah, I see the admission is that Democrats are NOT going to have to "cave on SS cuts". Excellent! George II Oct 2013 #235

Time for more like minded Independents like Bernie Sanders mc51tc Oct 2013 #196

No one should be surprised about this. Dem leadership has been discussing this for years. DCBob Oct 2013 #209

Just Raise the Friggin Cap! Problem solved. Sheesh. nt NorthCarolina Oct 2013 #218

well, at least we've demonstrated that we're able to resist this crap nashville_brook Oct 2013 #225

The Social Security Trust Fund is invested in Treasury Bonds and the problem is Samantha Oct 2013 #227

The American people are Creditors of the Fed Govt, along with China, Japan and whoever else sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #237

I agree that the failure of the Government to fulfill its obligations to the SS Trust Fund would be Samantha Oct 2013 #243

Another great post, Sabrina. Thank goodness Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #249

there will be a revolution if they do. remember the DesertFlower Oct 2013 #231

That makes no sense to me..... 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #232

He's saying dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #242

Uh, wait.. a "25% benefit cut in 20 years".. yeah, who cares if SS is cut then instead of now, huh? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #245

Like most things in life and politics - I will believe it when I see it. Rex Oct 2013 #248

Chained-CPI has always been on the table thanks to our President. joshcryer Oct 2013 #251

Senate/House Negotiators Give Up On Grand Bargain ProSense Oct 2013 #262

No REAL Democrat will ever offer or give in to a reduction in SS. I won't vote for anyone who does. L0oniX Oct 2013 #264

Sen Durbin is proof that all Democrats are not friends of the 99%. No cuts is the line we draw. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #265

We should be fighting for increases. woo me with science Oct 2013 #274

I'm still waiting to find out why it would be hunky dory to do a 25% benefit cut in 20 years. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #270

I've lost track of the number of times Obama has been predicted to cave.... Hekate Oct 2013 #271

For Those That Missed This... WillyT Oct 2013 #272

K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #273

If Horizens Oct 2013 #277

If at first you don't succeed POST it again whistler162 Oct 2013 #278

LOL !!! - You Funny !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #289

WHY is Social Security being discussed in the first place? AndyA Oct 2013 #279

Why is there nothing in this comment about the effect of serious job creation on the SS Trust Fund FogerRox Oct 2013 #284

I have discussed the impact of new jobs on social security in other threads in the past AndyA Oct 2013 #290

You are quite correct, SS is quite solvent, yes we can wait, IMHO 10-12 yrs before taking action. FogerRox Oct 2013 #291

Remember this: ProSense Oct 2013 #286