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Bunnahabhain

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103. Or if the other guy is looking very hard to insult.

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:53 PM

Oct 2013

I think we can see what the case is here.

As to my earlier claim, yes, I believe the cap will be lifted (with no congruent benefit attached) and we already have seen the retirement age increased so we will pay more through dint of paying longer.

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Please don't call them "Entitlements" [View all] rurallib Oct 2013 OP

You're right! whathehell Oct 2013 #1

Durbin Is Up For Re-Election In 2014..... global1 Oct 2013 #9

Thanks for the information..I'll definitely be using it. whathehell Oct 2013 #19

They are officially called "entitlements" Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #2

To me, they are "Earned Benefits". I think that describes them. They're not a "gift". SharonAnn Oct 2013 #78

"Entitlement" does NOT mean "gift" in this case Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #119

Even so, the word entitlement has a negative connotation to most people octoberlib Oct 2013 #129

They change the meaning of words tobenefit their agendas; pangaia Oct 2013 #3

Why not? I paid into them, I'm entitled to them....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #4

Exactly. Entitlement literally means guaranteed earned benefit, based on rights or legislation. Dawgs Oct 2013 #11

I know exactly what you're saying..I think the OP's point is, whathehell Oct 2013 #22

If Boomers think they paid TWICE Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #28

the contribution cap is always going up - automatically hfojvt Oct 2013 #52

Two things here Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #61

"a couple of decades of intensive effort on my part" hfojvt Oct 2013 #77

My statement said nothing about what you were doing in that time. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #84

no, it is not a straw man, just another perspective hfojvt Oct 2013 #90

So now the ability to afford things means Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #91

well, in the real world, it is the $150,000 people who call the shots hfojvt Oct 2013 #101

Funniest thing I've read all month Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #104

All the more reason Zoonart Oct 2013 #54

Inheritance? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #62

Sorry for your loss Zoonart Oct 2013 #67

Thank you Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #70

So true Zoonart Oct 2013 #82

We don't think it, we KNOW it.. whathehell Oct 2013 #68

I am well aware of what happened in 1983 Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #71

Really?...I wonder why you posted it as an opinion, then, rather than a fact. whathehell Oct 2013 #74

There's this thing called math... Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #76

another set of numbers would show hfojvt Oct 2013 #83

Did I say to cut your benefits? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #85

again, this was the outline YOU used hfojvt Oct 2013 #95

If you traded places with me Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #102

There's this thing called Bullshit... whathehell Oct 2013 #110

Repukes? Hell, "Democrats" like Clinton and Richardson hfojvt Oct 2013 #79

Thanks for the vid. I got ya...There's a number of supposed "democrats" who seem to be whathehell Oct 2013 #111

Um....You vastly overestimate our salaries. jeff47 Oct 2013 #86

Fuck you too Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #88

So you're not part of management, but you are also part of management. jeff47 Oct 2013 #92

Thinking Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #94

You need to work on reading first. jeff47 Oct 2013 #97

Getting loonier I see Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #99

Apparently you need me to quote your own post. jeff47 Oct 2013 #100

Or if the other guy is looking very hard to insult. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #103

Ok, you're halfway to explaining your original point. jeff47 Oct 2013 #105

All indications are SS as we know it will not be there Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #106

So now you're back to contradicting yourself. jeff47 Oct 2013 #107

You are wrong. We will simply raise the cap, hopefully with your help. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #122

I am empathetic and I didn't mean to denigrate the situation........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #127

so let's call it 'earned entitlements', because i am absolutely entitled to them. eom ellenfl Oct 2013 #130

Sounds good to me, LOL! whathehell Oct 2013 #131

thank you hfojvt Oct 2013 #55

True, but rightly or wrongly Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #75

you pay in and you're entitled to take it out. spanone Oct 2013 #5

Absolutely... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #7

I have no problem with the word... I am entitled. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #6

You are entitled to them. They are yours. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #8

While we are "entitled" to it, the funds have to be available, the economy has to cooperate, the Hoyt Oct 2013 #10

Simply making people who make over $110,000 pay into SS Will fix it. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #29

Not really, it only resolves part of the problem as this DUer clearly demonstrates-- Hoyt Oct 2013 #44

Really!!! Senate Bill 1558 guarantees SS for 75 years! :) check it out :) grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #87

Based on questionable economic projections, we can make it APPEAR viable for 1000 years. Hoyt Oct 2013 #96

Not a tax increase. Social security and taxes are two seperate pools of money. SS is insurance we grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #108

Sorry. If we take another 6% out of your income, that is 6% that we can't use for other purposes. Hoyt Oct 2013 #109

It's insurance against disaster and old age. Heck, I'd pay more for more benefits if I could. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #121

I agree. But, that is one reason raising the cap only partially helps. Hoyt Oct 2013 #123

What should the disabled or otherwise non-working people call them? seveneyes Oct 2013 #12

Exactly. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #114

I'm sorry but... pipi_k Oct 2013 #13

no I won't. I'll continue calling them entitlements. cali Oct 2013 #14

We really should stop fleeing from language jeff47 Oct 2013 #15

Proud to be a LIBERAL. Mother Jones was pushing this point ten years ago. SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #33

Actually, the word "Progressive" is MORE than 50 years old. raging moderate Oct 2013 #58

The word is thousands of years old. jeff47 Oct 2013 #60

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #81

Using their framing is losing the argument before it starts. Words have meaning and are important grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #98

you doidn't "pay in" or "save", you were paying for your parents tillikum Oct 2013 #16

exactly ashling Oct 2013 #53

absolutely. its the best ROI for mere existance possible. well except maybe the Swiss tillikum Oct 2013 #56

I call the tax cut on the top 10% entitlements. Xyzse Oct 2013 #17

You aren't entitled to the benefits you paid for? nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #41

We expect to get what we paid for. Xyzse Oct 2013 #57

So many people who don't like the word don't suggest good alternatives even after ample opportunity. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #59

Hrm... As for another word for Medicare and SS Xyzse Oct 2013 #64

Also "contract" reminds of the Contract on America that Gingrich took out in the last shutdown. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #65

What would you suggest? Xyzse Oct 2013 #66

"Social Insurance" or "entitlements". Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #69

I agree. K&R nt TBF Oct 2013 #18

Before there were entitlements, people were dependent on private charity starroute Oct 2013 #20

Nope. I remember when "Obamacare" had negative connotations. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #21

supreme court said they are not entitlements alc Oct 2013 #23

I really think that's an important issue, and one that needs to be addressed now. Hoyt Oct 2013 #25

All we have to do is raise the cap and that fight is now. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #35

Not worried. SSA is in fine shape and just needs some tweaking ... SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #38

what we need to do onethatcares Oct 2013 #24

Earned benefits. We paid in out of every paycheck we ever got. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #26

Yeah, what about those who don't or can't pay in? Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #115

Earned Benefits. Payments is good, that's what the banks call it when they get paid what they are grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #27

I got into an argument with a TeaBagger's use of "welfare" to describe these programs. KansDem Oct 2013 #30

I will continue to use the term as defined. nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #31

I agree. Nine Oct 2013 #32

Entitlements may be earned or unearned rock Oct 2013 #34

As other DU'ers have pointed out already you are wrong. Completely wrong. Please read this thread KittyWampus Oct 2013 #36

Yes, indeed. Thank you. TalkingDog Oct 2013 #51

Please DO call them entitlements Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #37

An entitlement is something that you have earned, or otherwise have a right to. freedom fighter jh Oct 2013 #39

That's a better definition. We MUST include "or otherwise have a right to." Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #116

I think anytime anyone snarks with that word it should be pointed out that people are "entitled" MADem Oct 2013 #40

Non-Entitlements are more Cuttable, Sacrificeable, Discretionary Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #42

I agree. I never heard them called entitlements until conservatives who wanted to put an end Zorra Oct 2013 #43

Word games Plucketeer Oct 2013 #45

They call them "entitlements" to make it sound like they're talking about "welfare".... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #46

Since when do we call things we paid for "entitlements"? Paper Roses Oct 2013 #47

Hear, hear ybbor Oct 2013 #48

Yes, they are entitlements. TalkingDog Oct 2013 #49

Certainly not after "60 Minutes" of last night, showing members of Congress question everything Oct 2013 #50

They are entitlements. WE ARE ENTITLED TO THEM, because we have paid into them lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #63

I prefer "earned benefits." Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #72

You say that like it's a bad thing. MadrasT Oct 2013 #73

Christ on a cracker. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #80

They are what they are. Ganja Ninja Oct 2013 #89

I agree ctsnowman Oct 2013 #93

It seems like this conversation comes up every couple months on DU. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #112

This again? johnp3907 Oct 2013 #113

DO NOT LET FRANK FUCKING LUNTZ CONTROL YOUR USE OF THE ENGLIGH LANGUAGE!!! yodermon Oct 2013 #117

Oh, my. I posted practically this same thing before reading the thread. Yes! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #125

Thank you- I say this all the time KaryninMiami Oct 2013 #118

that's like asking people to stop using the word "liberal" because the Repubs TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #120

Well said. (nt) Paladin Oct 2013 #128

No. An entitlement is something one is entitled to. Reclaim the word. Don't let Luntz and the RW Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #124

but, I am entitled to them. B Calm Oct 2013 #126