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RobertEarl

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121. Health effects

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 06:47 PM

Oct 2013

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/51585989-82/nuclear-radiation-scientists-bullets.html.csp

There is no 'safe' exposure to radiation

Bioaccumulation is one reason why it is dishonest to equate the danger to humans living 5,000 miles away from Japan with the minute concentrations measured in our air. If we tried, we would now likely be able to measure radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium bioaccumulating in human embryos in this country. Pregnant women, are you OK with that?

Hermann Mueller, another Nobel Prize winner, is one of many scientists who would not have been OK with that. In a 1964 study, "Radiation and Heredity", Mueller spelled out the genetic damage of ionizing radiation on humans. He predicted the gradual reduction of the survival of the human species as exposure to radioactivity steadily increased. Indeed, sperm counts, sperm viability and fertility rates worldwide have been dropping for decades.

These scientists and their warnings have never been disproven, but they are currently widely ignored. Their message is very clear: Virtually every human on Earth carries the nuclear legacy, a genetic footprint contaminated by the Cold War, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, the 400-plus nuclear power plants that have not melted down and now Fukushima.
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Sailor: “After we left Japan, it felt as if the ocean itself was dead” [View all] kpete Oct 2013 OP

holy shit... wundermaus Oct 2013 #1

And, apparently, the fear is so chervilant Oct 2013 #3

I've been called dense on DU, and that fine..... Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #12

This seems to be concerning all aspects; garbage, overfishing and potential radiation damage. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #15

the only thing the article did not touch on is acidification questionseverything Oct 2013 #94

Wrong... wundermaus Oct 2013 #24

See, that's why I've been called dense on DU, and that's just fine..... Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #27

I concede the article focuses on the debris... wundermaus Oct 2013 #33

I started my anti-nuclear activitsm fifty years ago Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #45

Fact: For 30 months, radiocative water leaking into Pacific RobertEarl Oct 2013 #46

The elevated levels measured on the West Coast have only been found in bluefin tuna... Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #49

Compared to bananas, again? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #50

The "banana/potassium equivilent" has been debunked as bad science newthinking Oct 2013 #88

"Will not tolerate opinions stated as fact"... wundermaus Oct 2013 #48

They DID find plenty of fish, actually NickB79 Oct 2013 #61

"...that IS fine" chervilant Oct 2013 #54

I should clarify the banana comment to you nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #25

Correct, like when you told us the west coast milk supply was just days away from becoming poisoned? Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #32

What does this mean? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #47

It means nadinbrzezinski told us to rush out and buy aseptic milk because.... Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #51

There was found elevated radionuclides level in milk RobertEarl Oct 2013 #52

So what? People still drank milk, and people are still fine. Sirveri Oct 2013 #53

"So what? People still drank milk, and people are still fine." greiner3 Oct 2013 #76

You would have a point if the half life of I-131 wasn't 8 days. Sirveri Oct 2013 #109

Your data, please RobertEarl Oct 2013 #114

You know what a safe level of radiation is? ZERO Demeter Oct 2013 #86

Actually, most of Ukraine was less exposed than much of Europe newthinking Oct 2013 #89

I am well aware of where the radiation went Demeter Oct 2013 #90

Indeed, Demeter! Indeed! K&R! KoKo Oct 2013 #97

Flat out false, you absorb radiation from natural sources all day long. Sirveri Oct 2013 #108

Your opinion, Sirveri, is: No Harm Done? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #110

Yes, I-131 was found... at 1000 times lower levels than during the 1960's. Sirveri Oct 2013 #111

Just your opinion then? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #113

There is plenty of real data, it supports my position. Sirveri Oct 2013 #115

Ok. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #116

That report says nothing about human health effects. Sirveri Oct 2013 #117

Health effects RobertEarl Oct 2013 #121

Maybe those scientists are ignored because the data doesn't correspond to their conclusions? Sirveri Oct 2013 #127

They evacuated the humans from Chernobyl RobertEarl Oct 2013 #128

No I don't work in the industry. Sirveri Oct 2013 #130

160,000 evacuated from Fukushima RobertEarl Oct 2013 #132

I meant on the West Coast. I live here, not in Japan. Sirveri Oct 2013 #133

I've read all that crap RobertEarl Oct 2013 #135

reminds me of all those apocolyptic Anime PatrynXX Oct 2013 #18

k n r cui bono Oct 2013 #2

I'm sick to my stomach. NBachers Oct 2013 #4

Me too. kentuck Oct 2013 #5

me too, N BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #11

I just lost my appetite. ffr Oct 2013 #17

Hard not too be. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #30

... nashville_brook Oct 2013 #6

I so wish there could have been pics or video dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #7

At least it would help verify Shivering Jemmy Oct 2013 #9

No kidding... reACTIONary Oct 2013 #31

I'm seeing "ENENews" used as a source more and more Union Scribe Oct 2013 #41

That's not true RobertEarl Oct 2013 #42

They rip off articles then editorialize them Union Scribe Oct 2013 #58

OMG - has this been on the news anywhere? polichick Oct 2013 #8

no because it's just bloggy trash snooper2 Oct 2013 #112

So it's not true? polichick Oct 2013 #118

A bit hyperbolic for sure, but nothing to sneeze at, either. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #10

Outrivalling Chernoble PuraVidaDreamin Oct 2013 #62

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13

one of my favorite quotes: kpete Oct 2013 #71

That is a good quote, I believe this quote from him seems appropos as well Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #100

K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #14

Bingo! truebluegreen Oct 2013 #21

People who viewed nuclear energy in this way..... DeSwiss Oct 2013 #34

Charlie the Tuna, there, looks like he's shittin' bricks--he doesn't look too happy about that atom! MADem Oct 2013 #37

Cesium 137 bricks. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #43

+ 1,000 Berlum Oct 2013 #65

So true. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #78

There is actually a real name for this phenominon - "Progress Trap" newthinking Oct 2013 #91

A biologist once told me. airplaneman Oct 2013 #16

I'm sure this video will disturb and inform many as it did me. Snarkoleptic Oct 2013 #20

I spoke very early of this nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #28

Some of appreciated your postings, and shrugged of the nuclear apologists. Scuba Oct 2013 #75

Thanks, but the real (at this point also ignorant of the science) nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #84

K&R. Didn't know about various countries' standards for Cesium contamination of foods. Overseas Oct 2013 #68

There have been many a science fiction story written on that theme. zeemike Oct 2013 #22

Exactly. n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #35

That is a perfect summation of where our species is. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #79

I don't care if we wipe ourselves out. Really, we've shown humans are incapable of Flaxbee Oct 2013 #104

There's going to be a huge Phlem Oct 2013 #19

I found an article that helps explain 'some' of the ocean dead zones postatomic Oct 2013 #23

Why aren't we shutting down all the reactors...like, yesterday? Zorra Oct 2013 #26

Fuku Plume may already be on west coast? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #29

Link to discussion about Fuku Plume RobertEarl Oct 2013 #39

What can 28,000 rubber duckies lost at sea teach us about our oceans? CrispyQ Oct 2013 #80

It certainly would be interesting to recreate that 20 years later and see where they end up davidpdx Oct 2013 #106

Some one at work, that goes to Tokyo frequently... SoapBox Oct 2013 #36

She's right, that is stupid. Union Scribe Oct 2013 #40

The former PM of Japan, says otherwise RobertEarl Oct 2013 #44

Anyone can SAY anything. Union Scribe Oct 2013 #55

Let me just throw this out there: And I am NOT a "pro nuker". Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #57

Here's a recent article for you. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #99

Naoto Kan was kicked out of office because of perceived bumbling Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #120

He has turned totaly anti-nuclear RobertEarl Oct 2013 #122

No, he's no longer in office because he did not take charge of things Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #123

Well... RobertEarl Oct 2013 #124

Once again, Kan was not dumped because he became anti-nuke Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #125

Abe is money bags RobertEarl Oct 2013 #126

Let me ask you this Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #129

Well, you didn't answer my question RobertEarl Oct 2013 #131

Kan would not still be in office if he were pro-nuke Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #134

Is Abe a liar? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #136

Oh, good grief Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #137

It is perfectly safe in Tokyo Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #119

That is where our salmon fry go to grow up tavalon Oct 2013 #38

The oceans have been dying for decades now NickB79 Oct 2013 #56

I am not sorry MFM008 Oct 2013 #59

The fish weren't missing, the author states exactly where they went NickB79 Oct 2013 #60

that's in the area not poisoned by the tsunami magical thyme Oct 2013 #70

How depressing CountAllVotes Oct 2013 #63

From post #16: CrispyQ Oct 2013 #82

The ocean is broken Berlum Oct 2013 #64

And it's us... everywhere I have dived in the past few years, you can see the insane explosion JCMach1 Oct 2013 #66

Experienced divers I've talked to say that things are deteriorating rapidly in the Caribbean hatrack Oct 2013 #93

Are we seeing a collapse? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #101

The oceans are very, very resilient... so, often you see things that look like a rolling collapse JCMach1 Oct 2013 #103

The acidification really worries me nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #105

CO2, oil, Global Warming JCMach1 Oct 2013 #107

Nature has tremendous resilience, given half a chance. hatrack Oct 2013 #138

Exactly... sigh JCMach1 Oct 2013 #139

I saw the jellyfish and reef bleaching even in Belize JCMach1 Oct 2013 #102

FUKUSHIMA IS HERE...... Bennyboy Oct 2013 #67

Why no pictures? seveneyes Oct 2013 #69

This is absolutely tragic devastating news... It's sickening what we'd done to the ocean. Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #72

Wind is cheaper than nuclear, cheaper still when u add in a few disasters. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #73

Lots of jumping to conclusions on this thread. Brickbat Oct 2013 #74

let's not forget all the toxic waste dumped into the oceans Bennyboy Oct 2013 #77

Don't worry. Go back to sleep. agent46 Oct 2013 #81

That's so depressing. NealK Oct 2013 #83

as long as bananas can be used heaven05 Oct 2013 #85

Bananas became a running gag nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #87

Lets not forget all the oil spills around the world... Bennyboy Oct 2013 #92

So Damned Depressing... WillyT Oct 2013 #95

I find this too sad to think about............nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #96

If this disturbs you and gives you a sense of urgency agent46 Oct 2013 #98