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Dragonfli

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131. "New Democrat"ic Corporatists have been purposefully misapplying the label "progressive"

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:06 PM

Oct 2013

to corporate coddling right wing policies since as early as the founding of The Progressive Policy Institute (a haven for Heritage and Chamber of Commerce ideas with a false left spin since the eighties).

It is hardly a surprise that they are doing it now (still).

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President Obama is a decent man. He's no FDR and we sorely need an FDR [View all] cali Oct 2013 OP

We thank you for your tepid support Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #1

You almost have to admire the level of relentlessly consistent negativism. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #6

It's called dealing with reality. cali Oct 2013 #17

It can be called a lot of things, reality is not one of them krawhitham Oct 2013 #207

Also have to admire the level of relentless dissent squashing from the fanboi faction .... Myrina Oct 2013 #41

Or they see the thread at top of the page and offer their opinion Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #55

Um, progressoid Oct 2013 #67

You snarked in the plural 'we thank you'. What is that about? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #96

Maybe he has a fabulous pink pony. n/t QC Oct 2013 #159

energizer bunny sex reddread Oct 2013 #90

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #178

Why yes, yes you do. Especially this sort: cui bono Oct 2013 #195

lol Renew Deal Oct 2013 #68

FDR had 300+ in the House and 70+ in the Senate. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #85

Obama vetoes: 4. FDR vetoes: 635 nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #140

Because Republicans aren't concerned with writing legislation, only blocking it. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #144

And how many total bills have passed the 113th United States Congress? krawhitham Oct 2013 #208

FDR's vetoes of reparations for Indians... yay. joshcryer Oct 2013 #210

Have you thanked Obama for HIS tepid support? cui bono Oct 2013 #194

ahh...linking to an article from Glenn Greenwald who admits he's not objective right in his piece Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #196

So you're going to discount something that actually happened simply because GG wrote it? cui bono Oct 2013 #197

Clinton. NAFTA and Telecommunications Act of 1996. Among others. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #198

I'm not defending Clinton. You sure like to try to change the topic, don't you? cui bono Oct 2013 #199

woops! I guess you is WRONG! but you must be used to it by now Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #200

Eliabeth Warren race wasn't a primary and the youtube clip is from 2006, when Obama was campaigning cui bono Oct 2013 #202

Better a good, principled Democratic President, than a failed Deal Maker. leveymg Oct 2013 #2

Maybe someday we will actually get that choice on our ballot. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #4

Better a pragmatic progressive than a "pure" president who gets nothing passed Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #5

There's no danger of a "pure" anything in DC. Obama does need to hold to some basic principles - leveymg Oct 2013 #12

He's not a progressive. not when it comes to economics- as bernie points out. cali Oct 2013 #18

Some have redefined "progressive" as anything to the left of the TeaBagger Party. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #70

Who gets to define "progressive"? tridim Oct 2013 #102

Is this a guessing game? If you have something to say, why dont you speak out instead rhett o rick Oct 2013 #109

LOL. Difficult question huh? tridim Oct 2013 #114

The definition of a Progressive isnt "someone that makes progress." rhett o rick Oct 2013 #120

Agreed. He put Wall Street in the WH ffs. And offered up SS cuts. cui bono Oct 2013 #135

I agree that those people are progressives... tridim Oct 2013 #161

Playing word games on message boards isn't progressive. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #134

I guess you don't want to answer either. tridim Oct 2013 #162

Why dont you try making statements instead of asking questions? Dont be afraid to rhett o rick Oct 2013 #209

"New Democrat"ic Corporatists have been purposefully misapplying the label "progressive" Dragonfli Oct 2013 #131

CIA officers brisas2k Oct 2013 #152

Hey I would take that pragmatic progressive over the pragmatic centrist we have. cui bono Oct 2013 #133

So who won? SamYeager Oct 2013 #3

The "when" may have been in question, but the "who" was a foregone conclusion. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #9

Not even here 10 days and you got a pool going. Impressive. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #113

Reality is a downer. cui bono Oct 2013 #136

no way, we could do a hell of a lot better than Obama quinnox Oct 2013 #7

I wouldn't characterize FDR as "fire breathing". cali Oct 2013 #19

Really? jeff47 Oct 2013 #56

one- or ten- comments hardly weigh more than the thousands that cali Oct 2013 #74

Such as? jeff47 Oct 2013 #78

Pressure from the left MyshkinCommaPrince Oct 2013 #8

+1 Without an actual Left, there will be no FDRs leftstreet Oct 2013 #16

not to mention squashing the "do gooders" reddread Oct 2013 #91

How can there be an actual left laundry_queen Oct 2013 #115

Well, this isn't actually that liberal of a board. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #137

Unfortunatley not. Yet according to the TOS, it is supposed to be. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #150

DU list of exceptions disqualifies all but blue-dog democrats. brisas2k Oct 2013 #156

I disagree. The TOS excludes the most radical of the left, and there are really few of them in Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #158

I totally agree. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #192

Yes, we need a loud left. And yet there are attempts at every level to keep that from happening. cui bono Oct 2013 #138

As I noted before, Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #10

We don't need FDR so much as the House and Senate that existed when FDR was President. stevenleser Oct 2013 #11

We've had divided Gov't during most of the post-war era, yet things got done leveymg Oct 2013 #29

Things got done during this President's terms too. Just not FDR level, no one else has gotten FDR stevenleser Oct 2013 #35

We need another New Deal, and haven't gotten it under Obama. leveymg Oct 2013 #44

We wouldn't have gotten the original New Deal with this congress. stevenleser Oct 2013 #60

He did have the chance in 2009. Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #76

No, he didn't. Just enough members of the Democratic Senate weren't interested. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #95

Seems like there are ALWAYS "just enough" to ensure the agenda of the 1%, doesn't it. bvar22 Oct 2013 #188

Good info to file away for future use. Thanks! n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #193

Um. The vote needed more than just Blanche Lincoln. joshcryer Oct 2013 #213

There's a great DU game one can play on their smartphone... SidDithers Oct 2013 #215

I am familiar with this game. joshcryer Oct 2013 #216

Your reply is the classic Strawman. bvar22 Oct 2013 #219

+1 The electoral game is rigged, and the casino owners almost always win. leveymg Oct 2013 #214

As a mere technicality, he did. joshcryer Oct 2013 #212

there was also a bogeyman needed, and FDR got it. brisas2k Oct 2013 #157

im sure that would sail right throug the house arely staircase Oct 2013 #92

This reality gap some have is pretty stunning really... stevenleser Oct 2013 #105

I for one blame the GOP, too! babylonsister Oct 2013 #108

It was like 39 days when Obama had the 60 vote majority in the Senate. joshcryer Oct 2013 #211

+1 billion treestar Oct 2013 #127

FDR was criticized by the left in his day as not liberal enough, NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #13

FDR was considered a class traitor datasuspect Oct 2013 #15

Yes by reasonable people. There was a not insignificant NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #21

FDR wasn't FDR zipplewrath Oct 2013 #43

lol. FDR was reviled by the moneyed classes. cali Oct 2013 #23

Yes he was. And your point is? NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #34

No offense to Mrs. Obama, but the Prez doesn't have an outspoken radical liberal Zorra Oct 2013 #14

ABSOLUTELY! I held High Hopes for MICHELLE to be "Eleanor Roosevelt" KoKo Oct 2013 #103

On what planet would this even have been possible? The black FLOTUS... Hekate Oct 2013 #145

Yeh. We need to make a focused, sustained effort at rooting out the PPI/Third Way Zorra Oct 2013 #185

Recommend! KoKo Oct 2013 #206

Did FDR have a teabagger controlled congress? nt ecstatic Oct 2013 #20

No, FDR STARTED with an 83% progressive congress and had an avg of 70% throughout terms in office uponit7771 Oct 2013 #31

Something that is conveniently forgotten. NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #39

I love how people assume that the major difference between geek tragedy Oct 2013 #22

I'm not ignoring Congress- it's in the op in my reference to other politicians cali Oct 2013 #26

FDR couldn't have led the tea party Congress. No way. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #46

When FDR faced filibusters, care to guess whether he: geek tragedy Oct 2013 #53

The bully pulpit matters much less now than it once did. The name should probably be changed. stevenleser Oct 2013 #57

You're just not being very realistic. Pretty typical Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #97

Organized labor & a political left had power then leftstreet Oct 2013 #33

Southern white racists voted Democratic back then. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #54

That has nothing to do with what I said n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #62

What. Reality doesn't matter. If President Obama was to be the equivalent of FDR, he would have bluestate10 Oct 2013 #111

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because I don't drool with adoration? fuck that. cali Oct 2013 #36

Got it. It's not adoration, you drool with disdain. Either way, you really need to wipe your chin. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #75

amen trumad rbrnmw Oct 2013 #51

******OBAMA NEEDS AN FDR CONGRESS!!!********* FDR had 70% progressives, Obama does NOT uponit7771 Oct 2013 #25

Then he should stop working against one zipplewrath Oct 2013 #47

Absolutely, very important point, and I'll add one. Jim Lane Oct 2013 #77

Obama is working Against an 83% dem congress!!?!?!?!? Come on people!!! uponit7771 Oct 2013 #99

Against a progressive congress zipplewrath Oct 2013 #165

You mean the congress that filibustered dem measures over 300 times is progressive?! You're saying uponit7771 Oct 2013 #168

You're projecting zipplewrath Oct 2013 #169

I don't agree with Obama preferred much more conservative democrats at all, please show proof of thi uponit7771 Oct 2013 #174

Specter and Lincoln zipplewrath Oct 2013 #180

Nonsense! Lincoln and Specter voted for all his major legislation. bornskeptic Oct 2013 #173

Can't have it both ways zipplewrath Oct 2013 #177

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #94

Facts ate not appreciated in ODS diatribe threads Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #98

Obama vetoes: 4. FDR vetoes: 635 nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #141

Obama terms in office: 2. FDR terms: almost 4. Hekate Oct 2013 #146

++++ The Wielding Truth Oct 2013 #101

You are wrong, most of FDR's support came from racists from all parts of the country. Those bluestate10 Oct 2013 #112

Umm, no... progressive doesn't equal perfect now and does equal perfect then and that's what's uponit7771 Oct 2013 #123

President Obama is far superior to his critics... even the ones on the left. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #27

Actually, ProSense Oct 2013 #28

yes, indeed. I'll take your propaganda over Bernie's facts. NOT. cali Oct 2013 #37

What the hell are you talking about? ProSense Oct 2013 #40

Don't destroy them with facts. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #45

But in fact Heritage applauds the President's stand on the NSA. Heritage loves rhett o rick Oct 2013 #143

An error in that zipplewrath Oct 2013 #58

"Medicare Part D can't negotiate." ProSense Oct 2013 #61

So to summarize zipplewrath Oct 2013 #79

What the hell? Medicaid is not Medicare. n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #81

And water is not dirt zipplewrath Oct 2013 #82

It's called a rebate. ProSense Oct 2013 #84

So what was wrong with my summary? nt zipplewrath Oct 2013 #166

What we need is a different House. FDR wouldn't have been able pnwmom Oct 2013 #30

+1, FDR had an 75% avg dem house throughout his term(s) uponit7771 Oct 2013 #32

A House that's willing to piss away 24 billion dollars and throw people out of work. randome Oct 2013 #38

Even opposition Houses wouldn't have pulled the shutdown debt default treestar Oct 2013 #128

And what we have now is Democratic Party unity. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #42

Send him the Congress FDR had, to balance the scales. The GOP didn't shut down the gov't then Hekate Oct 2013 #48

President Obama is good and decent man and I love him rbrnmw Oct 2013 #49

You're right--Obama is running waaaaay behind on interring Japanese Americans. Orrex Oct 2013 #50

We still have time, despair not! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #52

He just needs two more terms and a World War Hekate Oct 2013 #148

Damn right. When are we going to send Americans of some national heritage MineralMan Oct 2013 #59

I find it truly amazing how a politician who was full of warts become lionized with time. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #116

These same folks will be doing the same thing with Obama in 20 years. Number23 Oct 2013 #125

+1 Couldn't have said it better Hekate Oct 2013 #147

It's hilarious that the biggest feel-good some can take away is Obama is not FDR ProSense Oct 2013 #170

+a billion bravenak Oct 2013 #176

FDR has the benefit of time. In fact, there are very few MineralMan Oct 2013 #167

Many historians believe FDR saved capitalism. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #63

More than a Superman to lead us, we NEED a revival of traditional Democratic Values. bvar22 Oct 2013 #64

Well done ! Thanks for the post. russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #66

'Basic Human Rights, not commodities to be sold'. Excellent sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #69

Kudos for this great post! n/t truedelphi Oct 2013 #73

+ 1,000,000,000... And, THAT Shows You How Far To The Right We've Moved Since Those Days... WillyT Oct 2013 #104

+1 cui bono Oct 2013 #139

Any minute now you'll get flamed for calling these things "rights.' Here on a supposedly liberal Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #153

You always seem to be searching for a reason to be sad. grantcart Oct 2013 #65

Very interesting post. Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #203

"I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." MineralMan Oct 2013 #71

Is he dead? zipplewrath Oct 2013 #83

and? you remind me of nothing so much as a slow boiled frog. cali Oct 2013 #88

frog soup reddread Oct 2013 #93

Ah, sheep's heads. I haven't seen one of those MineralMan Oct 2013 #175

The water doesnt have to come to a boil slowly if the frog is in denial. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #142

Puzzled as to why someone who has handed our economy over to the Biggest of the Bankers truedelphi Oct 2013 #72

FDR was born rich + he knew many rich were AWFUL humans. pansypoo53219 Oct 2013 #80

I guess Personal Attacks and snarky attempts to discredit the messenger... bvar22 Oct 2013 #86

thank you bvar. I won't shut up cali Oct 2013 #87

Good. I live reality. 840high Oct 2013 #124

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #118

Amen! nt dflprincess Oct 2013 #121

+1 nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #122

Wow, tough crowd! Rex Oct 2013 #89

I think Obama has been pretty amazing . . . Brigid Oct 2013 #100

Let's think on this...did FDR make the changes he made on his own or with others? vaberella Oct 2013 #106

Ahhhh, the romanticized FDR. A bit like the romanticized Reagan for the right. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #107

Want America to move towards the progressive side? Get out there and start workin on it! struggle4progress Oct 2013 #110

We need a populist prez but our corporate parties aren't primarily about the people... polichick Oct 2013 #117

FDR wasn't FDR and I was taught to idolize him, He was Joe Montana orpupilofnature57 Oct 2013 #119

We need a Democratic Congress nt treestar Oct 2013 #126

We don't need another white man in power BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #129

Obama vetoes: 4. FDR vetoes: 635 MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #130

FDR is dead... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #132

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #149

FDR had an all-Democratic Congress. Remember that. He is only ONE branch of government. RBInMaine Oct 2013 #151

damn Cali, I bet you were the kid that told the other kids that there is no such thing as Santa Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #154

Nope. I was a big Santa fan even when I knew it wasn't true cali Oct 2013 #164

2009 was the opportunity. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #155

and THAT kind of opportunity comes around once in a generation. bvar22 Oct 2013 #190

I think you place too much at the feet of Obama and don't look at the other factors davidpdx Oct 2013 #160

President Obama is a decent man. He's no FDR and we sorely need an FDR aidendaniel Oct 2013 #163

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #172

If Americans had been demanding an FDR, our president would have become one. Orsino Oct 2013 #171

Tepid Public Support? bvar22 Oct 2013 #205

Yes, tepid public support... Orsino Oct 2013 #217

-Rev Martin Luther King Jr. bvar22 Oct 2013 #220

The strongly favorable polling hasn't yet translated... Orsino Oct 2013 #221

-Rev Martin Luther King Jr. bvar22 Oct 2013 #222

If you're wishing that the president would lead more, you're far from alone. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #223

You only have to put up with about 3 more years of Obama. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #179

ooh, you have a crystal ball. sorry, I don't believe in your cali Oct 2013 #182

What ever happens, I predict that you'll be here to tell us why its terrible. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #183

another silly prediction from you. you seem to specialize in them joey cali Oct 2013 #189

I also tend to be right most of the time, which makes it even more fun for me. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #191

in your own mind and there it stops, joey. cali Oct 2013 #218

Internment camps. FDR had those. bravenak Oct 2013 #181

Yep. FDR turned his back on Jim Crow laws and Lynchings of Blacks in the South n/t Yavin4 Oct 2013 #186

That's why I don't understand why there are those that think Pres.Obama is lacking in comparison. bravenak Oct 2013 #187

No. Obama needs the same super majority in Congress that FDR enjoyed. stopbush Oct 2013 #184

-100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #201

No Sale. Old and In the Way Oct 2013 #204