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socialist_n_TN

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127. I am empathetic and I didn't mean to denigrate the situation........

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:12 AM

Oct 2013

of generations that came AFTER the boomers because, yep, y'all paid the same percentage as we did after the law was changed AND are under the same retirement age strictures. HOWEVER, the boomers are the ones who are on the leading edge of this fight right now. If we don't get what was promised, it's guaranteed that nobody else will either.

And if we want to complain by generations, then the Millennials have even MORE to complain about than either one of us do. My daughter is also under the same strictures and faces a LONG time of this.

As I said though, we're the point of the spear at this time. As to your last sentence, with that attitude it's guaranteed that you will be "...shafted yet again in our time of need." I've fought this bullshit for 40+ years now and it's often felt like tilting at windmills. But what else are you going to do? Give up? Then it's guaranteed you will get "shafted yet again".

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Please don't call them "Entitlements" [View all] rurallib Oct 2013 OP

You're right! whathehell Oct 2013 #1

Durbin Is Up For Re-Election In 2014..... global1 Oct 2013 #9

Thanks for the information..I'll definitely be using it. whathehell Oct 2013 #19

They are officially called "entitlements" Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #2

To me, they are "Earned Benefits". I think that describes them. They're not a "gift". SharonAnn Oct 2013 #78

"Entitlement" does NOT mean "gift" in this case Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #119

Even so, the word entitlement has a negative connotation to most people octoberlib Oct 2013 #129

They change the meaning of words tobenefit their agendas; pangaia Oct 2013 #3

Why not? I paid into them, I'm entitled to them....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #4

Exactly. Entitlement literally means guaranteed earned benefit, based on rights or legislation. Dawgs Oct 2013 #11

I know exactly what you're saying..I think the OP's point is, whathehell Oct 2013 #22

If Boomers think they paid TWICE Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #28

the contribution cap is always going up - automatically hfojvt Oct 2013 #52

Two things here Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #61

"a couple of decades of intensive effort on my part" hfojvt Oct 2013 #77

My statement said nothing about what you were doing in that time. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #84

no, it is not a straw man, just another perspective hfojvt Oct 2013 #90

So now the ability to afford things means Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #91

well, in the real world, it is the $150,000 people who call the shots hfojvt Oct 2013 #101

Funniest thing I've read all month Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #104

All the more reason Zoonart Oct 2013 #54

Inheritance? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #62

Sorry for your loss Zoonart Oct 2013 #67

Thank you Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #70

So true Zoonart Oct 2013 #82

We don't think it, we KNOW it.. whathehell Oct 2013 #68

I am well aware of what happened in 1983 Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #71

Really?...I wonder why you posted it as an opinion, then, rather than a fact. whathehell Oct 2013 #74

There's this thing called math... Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #76

another set of numbers would show hfojvt Oct 2013 #83

Did I say to cut your benefits? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #85

again, this was the outline YOU used hfojvt Oct 2013 #95

If you traded places with me Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #102

There's this thing called Bullshit... whathehell Oct 2013 #110

Repukes? Hell, "Democrats" like Clinton and Richardson hfojvt Oct 2013 #79

Thanks for the vid. I got ya...There's a number of supposed "democrats" who seem to be whathehell Oct 2013 #111

Um....You vastly overestimate our salaries. jeff47 Oct 2013 #86

Fuck you too Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #88

So you're not part of management, but you are also part of management. jeff47 Oct 2013 #92

Thinking Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #94

You need to work on reading first. jeff47 Oct 2013 #97

Getting loonier I see Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #99

Apparently you need me to quote your own post. jeff47 Oct 2013 #100

Or if the other guy is looking very hard to insult. Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #103

Ok, you're halfway to explaining your original point. jeff47 Oct 2013 #105

All indications are SS as we know it will not be there Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #106

So now you're back to contradicting yourself. jeff47 Oct 2013 #107

You are wrong. We will simply raise the cap, hopefully with your help. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #122

I am empathetic and I didn't mean to denigrate the situation........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #127

so let's call it 'earned entitlements', because i am absolutely entitled to them. eom ellenfl Oct 2013 #130

Sounds good to me, LOL! whathehell Oct 2013 #131

thank you hfojvt Oct 2013 #55

True, but rightly or wrongly Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #75

you pay in and you're entitled to take it out. spanone Oct 2013 #5

Absolutely... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #7

I have no problem with the word... I am entitled. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #6

You are entitled to them. They are yours. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #8

While we are "entitled" to it, the funds have to be available, the economy has to cooperate, the Hoyt Oct 2013 #10

Simply making people who make over $110,000 pay into SS Will fix it. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #29

Not really, it only resolves part of the problem as this DUer clearly demonstrates-- Hoyt Oct 2013 #44

Really!!! Senate Bill 1558 guarantees SS for 75 years! :) check it out :) grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #87

Based on questionable economic projections, we can make it APPEAR viable for 1000 years. Hoyt Oct 2013 #96

Not a tax increase. Social security and taxes are two seperate pools of money. SS is insurance we grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #108

Sorry. If we take another 6% out of your income, that is 6% that we can't use for other purposes. Hoyt Oct 2013 #109

It's insurance against disaster and old age. Heck, I'd pay more for more benefits if I could. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #121

I agree. But, that is one reason raising the cap only partially helps. Hoyt Oct 2013 #123

What should the disabled or otherwise non-working people call them? seveneyes Oct 2013 #12

Exactly. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #114

I'm sorry but... pipi_k Oct 2013 #13

no I won't. I'll continue calling them entitlements. cali Oct 2013 #14

We really should stop fleeing from language jeff47 Oct 2013 #15

Proud to be a LIBERAL. Mother Jones was pushing this point ten years ago. SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #33

Actually, the word "Progressive" is MORE than 50 years old. raging moderate Oct 2013 #58

The word is thousands of years old. jeff47 Oct 2013 #60

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #81

Using their framing is losing the argument before it starts. Words have meaning and are important grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #98

you doidn't "pay in" or "save", you were paying for your parents tillikum Oct 2013 #16

exactly ashling Oct 2013 #53

absolutely. its the best ROI for mere existance possible. well except maybe the Swiss tillikum Oct 2013 #56

I call the tax cut on the top 10% entitlements. Xyzse Oct 2013 #17

You aren't entitled to the benefits you paid for? nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #41

We expect to get what we paid for. Xyzse Oct 2013 #57

So many people who don't like the word don't suggest good alternatives even after ample opportunity. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #59

Hrm... As for another word for Medicare and SS Xyzse Oct 2013 #64

Also "contract" reminds of the Contract on America that Gingrich took out in the last shutdown. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #65

What would you suggest? Xyzse Oct 2013 #66

"Social Insurance" or "entitlements". Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #69

I agree. K&R nt TBF Oct 2013 #18

Before there were entitlements, people were dependent on private charity starroute Oct 2013 #20

Nope. I remember when "Obamacare" had negative connotations. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #21

supreme court said they are not entitlements alc Oct 2013 #23

I really think that's an important issue, and one that needs to be addressed now. Hoyt Oct 2013 #25

All we have to do is raise the cap and that fight is now. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #35

Not worried. SSA is in fine shape and just needs some tweaking ... SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 #38

what we need to do onethatcares Oct 2013 #24

Earned benefits. We paid in out of every paycheck we ever got. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #26

Yeah, what about those who don't or can't pay in? Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #115

Earned Benefits. Payments is good, that's what the banks call it when they get paid what they are grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #27

I got into an argument with a TeaBagger's use of "welfare" to describe these programs. KansDem Oct 2013 #30

I will continue to use the term as defined. nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #31

I agree. Nine Oct 2013 #32

Entitlements may be earned or unearned rock Oct 2013 #34

As other DU'ers have pointed out already you are wrong. Completely wrong. Please read this thread KittyWampus Oct 2013 #36

Yes, indeed. Thank you. TalkingDog Oct 2013 #51

Please DO call them entitlements Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #37

An entitlement is something that you have earned, or otherwise have a right to. freedom fighter jh Oct 2013 #39

That's a better definition. We MUST include "or otherwise have a right to." Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #116

I think anytime anyone snarks with that word it should be pointed out that people are "entitled" MADem Oct 2013 #40

Non-Entitlements are more Cuttable, Sacrificeable, Discretionary Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #42

I agree. I never heard them called entitlements until conservatives who wanted to put an end Zorra Oct 2013 #43

Word games Plucketeer Oct 2013 #45

They call them "entitlements" to make it sound like they're talking about "welfare".... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #46

Since when do we call things we paid for "entitlements"? Paper Roses Oct 2013 #47

Hear, hear ybbor Oct 2013 #48

Yes, they are entitlements. TalkingDog Oct 2013 #49

Certainly not after "60 Minutes" of last night, showing members of Congress question everything Oct 2013 #50

They are entitlements. WE ARE ENTITLED TO THEM, because we have paid into them lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #63

I prefer "earned benefits." Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #72

You say that like it's a bad thing. MadrasT Oct 2013 #73

Christ on a cracker. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #80

They are what they are. Ganja Ninja Oct 2013 #89

I agree ctsnowman Oct 2013 #93

It seems like this conversation comes up every couple months on DU. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #112

This again? johnp3907 Oct 2013 #113

DO NOT LET FRANK FUCKING LUNTZ CONTROL YOUR USE OF THE ENGLIGH LANGUAGE!!! yodermon Oct 2013 #117

Oh, my. I posted practically this same thing before reading the thread. Yes! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #125

Thank you- I say this all the time KaryninMiami Oct 2013 #118

that's like asking people to stop using the word "liberal" because the Repubs TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #120

Well said. (nt) Paladin Oct 2013 #128

No. An entitlement is something one is entitled to. Reclaim the word. Don't let Luntz and the RW Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #124

but, I am entitled to them. B Calm Oct 2013 #126