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35. Social Insurance --
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:17 PM
Oct 2013

Initially though the theorists who wrote about it did conceive of a program which would help folks who "need" it. How do we define "need"? Do we "need" it because we have a million dollar home we want to pass down to our children (and we don't wish to prematurely sell it), or do we "need" it in that we have no resources and this is a safety net.

Here is what one theorist said --

One of the first American books on social insurance was by a Columbia University economics professor named Henry Seager. Seager explained the principle of old-age security based on social insurance in his 1910 book, "Social Insurance, A Program of Social Reform":

"As changing economic conditions are rendering the dependence of old people on their descendants for support increasingly precarious, so, on the other hand, new obstacles are arising to providing for old age through voluntary saving. . . The proper method of safeguarding old age is clearly through some plan of insurance. . . for every wage earner to attempt to save enough by himself to provide for his old age is needlessly costly. The intelligent course is for him to combine with other wage earners to accumulate a common fund out of which old-age annuities may be paid to those who live long enough to need it."



It is interesting to me that liberals are just as concerned about their private property rights as conservatives. Until this changes we really are not going to make meaningful progress in this country.

I'm not really directing this response at you sabrina 1, I know you are one of the more progressive posters on this board. Just sort of working this out in my head and thinking about how a program like this should work.

What I DO know is that the $$$ should not be "borrowed" out of it's fund for war-mongering, and there is no need for a "cap" to give yet another incentive to billionaires. That cap needs to be eliminated. After that looking at what the purpose of the program should be is interesting to me.

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America on Fire [View all] WilliamPitt Oct 2013 OP
Well done. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #1
We Need To Confiscate The Billionaire's Assets Arrest Them For Treason. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 #2
How about nationalizing the koch brothers' empire? calimary Oct 2013 #15
Krugman Named The Billionaires Trying To Control The US And Economy TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 #17
I'm all for nationalizing all industries that mine and extract resources from Cleita Oct 2013 #27
YEP! THIS^^^^^^^!!!! calimary Oct 2013 #28
Shouldn't the Attorney General be looking into this, or Cleita Oct 2013 #31
our labor is another resource that billionaires exploit grasswire Oct 2013 #36
Yes, when our laborers can't earn enough for a quality of life Cleita Oct 2013 #38
Banana Republicans ErikJ Oct 2013 #39
Exactly, the banana republic model and this country Cleita Oct 2013 #42
+1,000 n/t LarryNM Oct 2013 #51
Great job. Thanks, William. DU rec. nt antigop Oct 2013 #3
Yikes gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
Outstanding! --nt CrispyQ Oct 2013 #5
Tx much for exposing this. Needs MUCH more exposure! Triana Oct 2013 #6
kick phantom power Oct 2013 #7
Nice article, Will. AmBlue Oct 2013 #8
"You can stay on your parent's insurance until you're 26 and save $48,000." WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #9
He's already got that one in his back pocket. AmBlue Oct 2013 #13
They don't really save $48,000 thesquanderer Oct 2013 #19
But did any of their friends have a skiing accident? calimary Oct 2013 #30
You don't have to convince me. You have to convince them! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2013 #32
A question about this from a Canadian OnlinePoker Oct 2013 #25
Voluntary. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #26
Good article,Will. Here in Texas Gov Perry has never had to answer for his disasterous .... marble falls Oct 2013 #10
The cap needs to be raised - TBF Oct 2013 #11
Precisely! Wealthy elders should be disqualified or at least reduced. AmBlue Oct 2013 #16
I really think that would be a mistake. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #20
Then the jackals shouldn't be selling it as a problem for SS that warrants AmBlue Oct 2013 #21
Exactly! ctsnowman Oct 2013 #24
that's backwards thinking grasswire Oct 2013 #37
^^this^^ eridani Oct 2013 #52
I don't think that would be a good idea. If you view SS as a retirement sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #23
Social Insurance -- TBF Oct 2013 #35
K & R! Well done, sir!! lastlib Oct 2013 #12
Sounds like the lead up to the 2007 market collapse strategy. ffr Oct 2013 #14
That's a good thing dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #54
K and a big fucking R trumad Oct 2013 #18
You have a great batting average, Mr. Pitt - another home run with this. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #22
oh heck yeah Zorra Oct 2013 #29
Thank You William! Crewleader Oct 2013 #33
KandR. n/t Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2013 #34
excellent, William Skittles Oct 2013 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #41
Very well written article greatlaurel Oct 2013 #43
K&R ReRe Oct 2013 #44
K&R NealK Oct 2013 #45
K & R Agony Oct 2013 #46
Well done, Mr. Pitt Oilwellian Oct 2013 #47
One WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #48
Excellent read blue14u Oct 2013 #49
DEJA VU. Cut their funds and wish them luck as the flames lick their heels. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #50
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #53
The Truth Obviuos To All With Eyes Willing To See cantbeserious Oct 2013 #55
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