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mother earth

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Tue Oct 22, 2013, 02:40 PM Oct 2013

Nothing’s changed: Both political parties aim to protect and reinforce the capitalist system [View all]

Most Democrats will paint Republicans as slavish servants of short-sighted corporations and the few whom they make rich. These, say Democrats, threaten capitalism’s survival by failing to utilize government solutions to problems that consequently become worse and increasingly dangerous, putting the whole global economy – and capitalism’s reproduction – at systemic risk.
Republicans will disregard Democratic economic policy as steps toward what they call “socialism“: socialism defined as government ownership and operation of what should be private enterprises.

Neither party, though, has figured out how to prevent capitalism’s business cycles. Both consistently fail to make sure that cycles they failed to prevent would be shallow and short. So, today, Republicans blame the crisis since 2007 on government over-regulation and interventions in the housing and finance markets (and they blame Democrats for championing those policies). Democrats blame the crisis on too little regulation of those markets and insufficient redistribution (and – you guessed it – they blame Republicans for opposing those government policies). In short, crises, like everything else, are just opportunities to be explained and exploited politically to advance each party’s characteristic policies and their electoral strategies.


Recent political gridlock, shutdowns, etc suggest a “new normal” has arrived
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Most Republicans and Democrats facilitated the process by endlessly promoting “free trade” and arguing that any constraints on free enterprises’ relocations were unthinkable, inefficient and other synonyms for “really bad”. As more and more jobs left the US, and formerly prosperous cities and states entered long-term declines, the two parties blamed their favorite targets: one another.
The idea that capitalism and capitalists were the problem was something neither Democrats or Republicans allow into their debates and talking-points. Yet, it was precisely capitalists’ profit-driven, self-interested decisions to move that have caused our economic problems. And so they remain.


A few snips from the Guardian article, give it a read if you get the chance:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/22/nothings-changed-both-political-parties-aim-to-protect-and-reinforce-the-capitalist-system/

Is there anyone else who feels there is little to celebrate? Sure our principles as Dems are in the right place, we fight the good fight for progressive values to one day be mainstreamed, but really...we need to wake up and realize, this two party BS has had its day, and the tea party blame should really be about SCOTUS granting personhood to corporations, favoring & legalizing this oligarchy. Our highest court has been hijacked. The gov't represents big business, plain and simple, not us, therein lies our problem. Shall we continue to celebrate getting shafted at every juncture? Seriously, where is the victory?

The can has been kicked until the next crisis and no issues will be acted upon, and if you are one of the elite making profits like never before, you truly do have something to celebrate.

Oh yes, immigration will be the next issue, since the ONLY growth here has been in service jobs, not only are there no qualified Americans for the middle class jobs , the menial jobs that have been "created" must be filled.
Am I missing something? What's the status on TPP?

Yes, we know this disaster was brought to us by BushCo, and BTW, what's the status on immunity for those loveable, profiteering, lying fuck ups (by design), Bush & Cheney?

And how proud are you that JPMorgan is being "fined" for their criminal behavior, whilst actually thriving & enjoying the highest salary corporate boom - not bad for the Second Great Depression? Great job, Dimon!

If you are going to screw people over in this country, go big my friend, lady justice is busy filling quotas and handing out bracelets for the criminal too little to care abouts, the 47% faction. If you serve in high office, if you are too big to fail, there is nothing to fear. Pay the fine, and carry on, business as usual has started up again in the new normal, crisis management gov't with entitlements galore for the corporate elite.

Now, how do you like your seafood? Dinner is on Japan.

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On general principles... gcomeau Oct 2013 #1
Lazy writing and idiocy rules alternative media. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #2
hear hear! sick of it. It is an attempt to create the same climate of 1999 and 2000 when Bush Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #3
got that right warrprayer Oct 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #15
There's false equivalence pscot Oct 2013 #5
+1,000,000,000 /nt Drale Oct 2013 #7
+17,000,000,000,000 n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #16
You have got to be kidding gcomeau Oct 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #22
That's a great principle. I don't think they are the same. But the OP didn't say that BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #17
Like I said... gcomeau Oct 2013 #18
I hear you. Here's how I see it BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #19
Well said. nt mother earth Oct 2013 #25
Is that that surprising? Mass Oct 2013 #4
It seems that in this country, no party has a chance at becoming a majority party LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #27
K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #8
These 2 parties couldn't be further apart. Possibly the furthest in US history. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #11
We need to acknowledge what's staring us in the face. Our gov't has been rendered mother earth Oct 2013 #13
The dysfunction is precisely because the two parties are farthest from each other than ever before stevenleser Oct 2013 #52
So there's no support from dems for TPP? Glass-Steagall is going to be reinstated? mother earth Oct 2013 #58
Healthcare reform, Tax rates, gay rights, women's equality, abortion, Iran policy, etc. stevenleser Oct 2013 #59
What's not compelling is we get ONLY what big business doesn't care about, therein are the only mother earth Oct 2013 #60
While true, it is worse for the working class when the right-wing is in power. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #14
Why yes, yes they do. In fact....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #21
Since I'm okay with well-regulated, non-crony capitalism... Silent3 Oct 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #37
How's that "...well-regulated, non-crony capitalism and solid... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #40
How's that Marxist thing working out in practice? Silent3 Oct 2013 #41
So you're comparing a system that's been actually in place for three centuries or so...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #42
I'll gladly compare something that's really been done with someone's pipe dream... Silent3 Oct 2013 #43
The first attempt at Marxism in practice degenerated into Stalinism...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #44
You have some magic solution that eliminates all of the "pressures"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #47
Why yes, yes I do. They're called work councils and neighborhood councils....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #48
Of course, none of those people working in such councils... Silent3 Oct 2013 #49
That's the "immediately recallable delegates" part........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #56
At least in your untried, purely hypothetical dreams. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #57
They do, but the liberals believe it should be regulated treestar Oct 2013 #24
Absolutely! randome Oct 2013 #45
It is a bit liberating when you begin to see through the charade. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #28
The Democratic party is the party that keeps saving capitalism from itself coldmountain Oct 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #31
Modern economic systems are a blend of private and government ownership FarCenter Oct 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #33
Interestingly, you make a good point. DireStrike Oct 2013 #46
Lenin's definition of communism FarCenter Oct 2013 #51
You prove my point DireStrike Oct 2013 #53
That would be a left anarchist definition. FarCenter Oct 2013 #54
Engels: DireStrike Oct 2013 #55
the corporate state has two teams datasuspect Oct 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #34
Fuck Ralph Nader...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #35
Two capitalist parties fighting over campaign contributions. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #36
exactly. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #39
Lets Get Mobilized ! Othervoice Oct 2013 #38
Yup. woo me with science Oct 2013 #50
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