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61. what a ridiculous post

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Tue Oct 22, 2013, 04:55 PM

Oct 2013

you BOG people are getting more and more desperate.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 OP

Care to explain this? Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #1

You explained it yourself: geek tragedy Oct 2013 #6

Putting captured combatants nd sympathizers in prison is vastly different from rounding bluestate10 Oct 2013 #112

So any good he did is not to be counted? upaloopa Oct 2013 #2

No. But it's wrong to put him up on a pedestal, as many do here. pnwmom Oct 2013 #30

The south was solid DEM and solid CONSERVATIVE and SEGREGATIONIST. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #37

He wasn't acting against segregation, was he? pnwmom Oct 2013 #40

thats the best you have? Seriously? LOL bowens43 Oct 2013 #3

I know right! Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #81

Obama has done some amazingly wonderful things, with no severe blunders at all... tridim Oct 2013 #99

Drones killing civilians. NSA surveillance ramped up. Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #137

:sigh: Obviously, socially he was a product of his time and circumstances. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #4

FDR wasn't a bigot. He was a coward who caved to Congressional bigots though, geek tragedy Oct 2013 #8

Yes, at a time where black people were still considered less than human. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #23

This was 1940, not 1840. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #31

1940 was not that different than 1840 re: race noiretextatique Oct 2013 #59

We're talking about anti-lynching laws. FDR caved to filibusters from southern geek tragedy Oct 2013 #60

dixicrats...ok. did the majority of white citizens in america agree with the dixiecrats? noiretextatique Oct 2013 #66

No, they didn't since there are majority votes in both houses to enact anti-lynching geek tragedy Oct 2013 #69

and there are some white people who aren't that different now, including in Congress JI7 Oct 2013 #71

Hear! Hear! BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #72

Bullshit. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #116

That's the view from the leftwing analog to the Tea Party. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #119

no, it's a realistic view based on views of Reagan of his time fascisthunter Oct 2013 #133

That is also bullshit. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #135

Ok. ok. Obama is the best human being that has ever lived, and outshines all other presidents quinnox Oct 2013 #5

Pathetic. and none too swift. cali Oct 2013 #7

None too swift like pretending that FDR had some magic mojo geek tragedy Oct 2013 #11

no. none too swift as in making the false claim you just made, geek cali Oct 2013 #12

Why the pining for FDR if he would have had no better success geek tragedy Oct 2013 #15

FDR did have a secret weapon though brush Oct 2013 #36

FDR was also a war criminal who killed far more civilians than Obama ever did. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #62

I don't consider interning the Japanese an act of bigotry but of fear. Cleita Oct 2013 #9

So as long as people persecute racial minorities out of fear, it's not bigotry? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #13

Yeah, that one put me on my ear too. People who hate Gays can be excused because they are bluestate10 Oct 2013 #113

80,000 French civilians were killed by Allied bombing during WW2. Scurrilous Oct 2013 #10

fucking ridiculous. cali Oct 2013 #14

How is FDR's wanton, indiscriminate massacring of civilians a dumb geek tragedy Oct 2013 #17

So you think he should have surrendered day after Pearl? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #22

Just like Obama should just let Al Qaeda and the Taliban win? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #25

And that is supposed to mitigate the droning of civilians during a 'sort of war' Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #32

So you would agree that cross-generational comparisons of politicians geek tragedy Oct 2013 #33

I think crazed simpistic hyperbole about any subject is idiotic. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #48

The same person who had called the comparison 'dumb' was yesterday geek tragedy Oct 2013 #56

You really need to read up on the Japanese cities that the USA bombed with munitions that bluestate10 Oct 2013 #115

We have been at war in Afghanistan for twelve years now Fumesucker Oct 2013 #35

We had our equivalent military victory within a few months there. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #42

Don't forget Poland Fumesucker Oct 2013 #46

Ain't any profits in Afghanistan. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #49

We spent more on air conditioning tents in Afghanistan than on NASA Fumesucker Oct 2013 #54

That used to be true, but only when you throw in Iraq. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #57

Afghanistan is a logistical nightmare, far more so than Iraq Fumesucker Oct 2013 #78

True, but it's a lot cooler there. Logistical support isn't something that can geek tragedy Oct 2013 #79

Fuel to run the generators to power the A/C is part of the logistical support Fumesucker Oct 2013 #82

But, there is a LOT less A/C needed in Afghanistan. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #83

You aren't doing yourself any favors quibbling over details Fumesucker Oct 2013 #90

That's true, because we decided to engage in nation-building geek tragedy Oct 2013 #95

All of which has been masterfully mismanaged Fumesucker Oct 2013 #100

FDR didn't live to see attempts at rebuilding. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #101

No one could have predicted Fumesucker Oct 2013 #103

I opposed the invasion of Iraq for that among many other reasons. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #104

Ahhh . . . we had a little help in that. brush Oct 2013 #55

Don't forget Poland Fumesucker Oct 2013 #80

Maybe we should bring back carpet bombing like was used by Allies in WWII. Your case bluestate10 Oct 2013 #118

Maybe we should bring back Congress declaring actual war Fumesucker Oct 2013 #121

they should have negotiated with Japan. Why lob bombs or attack them? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #68

WWII wasn't done on the cheap and in order to enhance corporate profits Fumesucker Oct 2013 #124

Distinction without a difference; if Obama is wrong for the drones FDR was wrong for that treestar Oct 2013 #74

Dresden leveled, killing men, women and children by the tens of thousands and starving those that bluestate10 Oct 2013 #114

Churchill pushed for Dresden dflprincess Oct 2013 #136

That's a simplistic analysis of a complex President el_bryanto Oct 2013 #16

Reductio ad absurdem. FDR is treated as a demigod who could do no wrong geek tragedy Oct 2013 #18

I'm not sure what you are saying here el_bryanto Oct 2013 #20

They're equally stupid, which could/should be the takeway from this thread geek tragedy Oct 2013 #21

+ infinity nt ecstatic Oct 2013 #41

+1 JoePhilly Oct 2013 #47

which was the point of the post. Obama detractors always go to the FDR well Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #70

And your post is a bit of a straw man. longship Oct 2013 #53

+1000 to your last sentence nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #58

Meanwhile, others treat Obama as a demigod who could do no wrong... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #102

are very few in number, compared to the naysayers. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #106

What do you claim are the difference in the German and Japanese internments? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #19

See upthread: Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #28

But that was a function of geography, there was a Pacific Coast Exclusion Zone Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #39

Trying to justify the bigotry of FDR, eh? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #50

So these were carefully considered racist concentration camps? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #51

Sorry, you're desperately trying to keep FDR on the "god" pedestal. FDR was a human who was bluestate10 Oct 2013 #122

This OP really makes me want to vomit. cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #24

FDR and his policies were great for his time and Obama and his policies are great for this time. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #26

Every president has done his good and not good things frazzled Oct 2013 #27

There were detention camps for Italians. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #29

See upthread Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #43

By that logic George W. Bush was a better president than Lincoln or Jefferson. n/t Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #34

BINGO! Some of the stuff that Lincoln wrote would absolutely make bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #44

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #45

Yeah, and the cavemen were a-holes for not landing on the moon. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2013 #38

Obama IS the new FDR, except he doesn't have 300+ in the House and 70+ in Senate JaneyVee Oct 2013 #52

what a ridiculous post noiretextatique Oct 2013 #61

I'm a BOG people? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #63

yes...you are one noiretextatique Oct 2013 #64

FDR was also a war criminal who killed far more civilians than Obama ever did. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #65

so far... noiretextatique Oct 2013 #67

Do you know how many German and Japanese civilians were killed by carpet bombing? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #73

That was also during war time. Drone strikes are not being done in a war. cui bono Oct 2013 #85

It's illegal to intentionally target civilians during war Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #87

But it's okay to target them when there is no war??? cui bono Oct 2013 #93

No. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #94

Okay, so then your argument on that point falls flat since Obama does that with drones. cui bono Oct 2013 #96

Well.... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #97

Yes he is. There is an OP posted today about "double tapping". cui bono Oct 2013 #98

Your point on FDR falls also, because he allowed purposeful targeting of civilians. How can you bluestate10 Oct 2013 #123

Just as there is no reason to put past Presidents on pedestals treestar Oct 2013 #75

The folks who use BOG as an insult are pretty hilarious. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #77

You might like to move this to the Obama group. Any criticism of the Dear Leader is Verboten there. Vincardog Oct 2013 #76

This is really pathetic...and so are some of the comments...honestly, we get it... joeybee12 Oct 2013 #84

it's delusional. it really is. Hell, why not just say he's the greatest man who ever lived? cali Oct 2013 #88

No, that's FDR Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #89

your view of history is shockingly anachronistic and uneducated cali Oct 2013 #86

Two replies to the same OP from you? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #91

Cali_Democrat is right. FDR interred Japanese Americans in a way that he didn't bluestate10 Oct 2013 #125

indeed fascisthunter Oct 2013 #129

Pfft. If you want to make a strong argument you have to take things in context. cui bono Oct 2013 #92

Edit - Not worth responding. myrna minx Oct 2013 #105

So we're allowed to criticize Obama, but we can't criticize FDR? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #108

What does your post have to do with the current President? myrna minx Oct 2013 #109

You edited because I caught your double standard Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #110

That's silly -What did bust exactly? I edited because this is nothing but flame bait and probably myrna minx Oct 2013 #111

IT involves the current President because there are some on DU that INSIST on calling bluestate10 Oct 2013 #126

I also want to say the same thing about Reagan; Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #107

this was indicative of the period rather than of the man. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #117

Ok, write slowly so that I can understand. Why was FDR's actions and policy indicative of his bluestate10 Oct 2013 #128

Yeh, the right wing has been pushing this meme forever because they hate the New Deal Zorra Oct 2013 #120

he was a war criminal and Obama in comparison isn't? fascisthunter Oct 2013 #127

FDR knowingly attacked civilians to KILL them. Look up firebombing of Japanese cities bluestate10 Oct 2013 #132

You think Obama didn't think or know there would be collateral damage fascisthunter Oct 2013 #134

Worst. Thread. Ever. ThoughtCriminal Oct 2013 #130

I won't defend FDR on race, but senseandsensibility Oct 2013 #131