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HoustonDave

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29. Like false causation

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:01 PM

Oct 2013

I think you have it backwards: yes, the system is run by the government - so is the IRS - which is funded by taxes - BUT, as I may not have stated clearly enough, VA is essentially deferred compensation for the years spent serving. It is NOT a stand-alone "socialist benefits program" or some such... it is payment earned by those few of the population who choose to serve.

By the way, some may describe the treatment as better - considering VA is is literally years behind in claims processing, tends not to attract the best and the brightest doctors, and can take months to get specialist appointments - I'm not sure I would describe it in any more glowing terms than any other mediocre HMO.

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If 100% government owned and operated health care is such "evil socialism" ..... [View all] ErikJ Oct 2013 OP

But you are employing logic... dchill Oct 2013 #1

I have a close friend who is a vet and he was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer early last week. ErikJ Oct 2013 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author ErikJ Oct 2013 #2

I like this argument. Fridays Child Oct 2013 #4

I just did at Fox Nation and it was like ...crickets for 5 minutes. ErikJ Oct 2013 #6

Is Fox Nation a discussion forum? Fridays Child Oct 2013 #8

"That's different." silverweb Oct 2013 #5

Does she also receive VA/Tricare health care? Fridays Child Oct 2013 #7

Medicare. silverweb Oct 2013 #9

Well, there it is...it's about 'earning the benefit'. It's a protestant religious ethic HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #14

Just one hitch there. silverweb Oct 2013 #22

Sex specifics don't really matter, HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #25

Sex has little to do with it in this case. silverweb Oct 2013 #27

Typical conservative sociopath eridani Oct 2013 #11

No health care for 54 years madokie Oct 2013 #10

Anything from "the government" is "welfare" and you should be ASHAMED for "taking it"... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #12

Lol! Not really funny, but you did give me a laugh with your spot on impression of the RW mindset. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #13

It isn't really hard to imitate. As Colbert says, "You just have to be an asshole." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #17

Ha! Colbert is my hero. I always appreciate someone who can make me laugh, because with all this RW Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #32

America has gotten wise to them.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #33

In a Rolling Stone interveiw a few years ago, Colbert claimed he was not paritisan. He said he Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #36

I don't know if you saw Don Imus when Bill Clinton was in office but people say he went too far. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #37

I agree that he want too far. A lot of personal attacks about things that didn't actually Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #39

This notion of Republicans as paragons of virtue was the most absurd thing in those times. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #41

Funny thing--they still think of themselves that way, and it's still absurd! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #42

That's because they really believe the speak for God,..who's a rich Capitalist. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #43

That's really how some feel. silverweb Oct 2013 #23

Bought and paid for HoustonDave Oct 2013 #15

I believe the point is that it's run by the government, and it works fine. nt cyberswede Oct 2013 #16

VA HoustonDave Oct 2013 #18

I'm not sure you understand what socialized health care means. cyberswede Oct 2013 #19

You keep using that word nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #24

The VA is definitely socialized medicine. roamer65 Oct 2013 #28

Like false causation HoustonDave Oct 2013 #29

Wrong. ProSense Oct 2013 #30

Do you think veterans are more deserving of quality healthcare than other Americans? cyberswede Oct 2013 #34

To you Social Security is not socialism then? It is just deferred compensation too. TeamPooka Oct 2013 #38

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #20

I agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #21

Don't forget Congress is covered under government health care. liberal N proud Oct 2013 #26

Where did the argument come from that the government doesn't know how to operate health care? libdem4life Oct 2013 #31

Great point. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #35

instead of pushing single payer and settling for mandatory private insurance - why not push NHS Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #40