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BelgianMadCow

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19. I hear you. Here's how I see it

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:43 PM

Oct 2013

You are saying, and I agree, that there are large and important differences between the parties.
You therefore say that discussing a point where the two parties do not differ, is not relevant.

But that reasoning implies you accept the two party system and the (current shape of) capitalism they support and advance. You have then limited the debate and limited the options. Which I can understand, from an "I need to make the right choice in the election" standpoint.

But where I'm coming from, the system is THE problem. It's the stupid economy, to change the old phrase. It dwarfs other issues, for me, because it's Big Money that is subverting democracy in a whole host of ways. I'm sure you can also see that viewpoint. We'll have to agree to disagree, probably.

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Nothing�s changed: Both political parties aim to protect and reinforce the capitalist system [View all] mother earth Oct 2013 OP

On general principles... gcomeau Oct 2013 #1

Lazy writing and idiocy rules alternative media. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #2

hear hear! sick of it. It is an attempt to create the same climate of 1999 and 2000 when Bush Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #3

got that right warrprayer Oct 2013 #9

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There's false equivalence pscot Oct 2013 #5

+1,000,000,000 /nt Drale Oct 2013 #7

+17,000,000,000,000 n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #10

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You have got to be kidding gcomeau Oct 2013 #20

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That's a great principle. I don't think they are the same. But the OP didn't say that BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #17

Like I said... gcomeau Oct 2013 #18

I hear you. Here's how I see it BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #19

Well said. nt mother earth Oct 2013 #25

Is that that surprising? Mass Oct 2013 #4

It seems that in this country, no party has a chance at becoming a majority party LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #6

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K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #8

These 2 parties couldn't be further apart. Possibly the furthest in US history. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #11

We need to acknowledge what's staring us in the face. Our gov't has been rendered mother earth Oct 2013 #13

The dysfunction is precisely because the two parties are farthest from each other than ever before stevenleser Oct 2013 #52

So there's no support from dems for TPP? Glass-Steagall is going to be reinstated? mother earth Oct 2013 #58

Healthcare reform, Tax rates, gay rights, women's equality, abortion, Iran policy, etc. stevenleser Oct 2013 #59

What's not compelling is we get ONLY what big business doesn't care about, therein are the only mother earth Oct 2013 #60

While true, it is worse for the working class when the right-wing is in power. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #12

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Why yes, yes they do. In fact....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #21

Since I'm okay with well-regulated, non-crony capitalism... Silent3 Oct 2013 #23

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How's that "...well-regulated, non-crony capitalism and solid... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #40

How's that Marxist thing working out in practice? Silent3 Oct 2013 #41

So you're comparing a system that's been actually in place for three centuries or so...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #42

I'll gladly compare something that's really been done with someone's pipe dream... Silent3 Oct 2013 #43

The first attempt at Marxism in practice degenerated into Stalinism...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #44

You have some magic solution that eliminates all of the "pressures"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #47

Why yes, yes I do. They're called work councils and neighborhood councils....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #48

Of course, none of those people working in such councils... Silent3 Oct 2013 #49

That's the "immediately recallable delegates" part........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #56

At least in your untried, purely hypothetical dreams. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #57

They do, but the liberals believe it should be regulated treestar Oct 2013 #24

Absolutely! randome Oct 2013 #45

It is a bit liberating when you begin to see through the charade. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #26

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The Democratic party is the party that keeps saving capitalism from itself coldmountain Oct 2013 #30

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Modern economic systems are a blend of private and government ownership FarCenter Oct 2013 #29

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Interestingly, you make a good point. DireStrike Oct 2013 #46

Lenin's definition of communism FarCenter Oct 2013 #51

You prove my point DireStrike Oct 2013 #53

That would be a left anarchist definition. FarCenter Oct 2013 #54

Engels: DireStrike Oct 2013 #55

the corporate state has two teams datasuspect Oct 2013 #32

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Fuck Ralph Nader...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #35

Two capitalist parties fighting over campaign contributions. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #36

exactly. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #39

Lets Get Mobilized ! Othervoice Oct 2013 #38

Yup. woo me with science Oct 2013 #50