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In reply to the discussion: President Obama is a decent man. He's no FDR and we sorely need an FDR [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)Where did I say that ONLY Lincoln's vote was needed?
You made that shit up,
and then attacked your own fantasy.
GEE. That's so EASY even a fool can do it.
The Lincoln Democratic Primary was used as an irrefutable EXAMPLE .
Lincoln had ZERO chance of winning in the General Election, so there was absolutely NO REASON for the White House to interfere in that Democratic Primary under the excuse of "She was more electable."
I was on the ground in Arkansas, helping to give Obama what everybody said he needed,
"A Progressive Congress that would vote FOR his agenda,"
a Democrat who would vote FOR HealthCare.
A Democrat who would help LABOR and the Working Class.
We were winning too, until the last week of the Democratic Primary.
I had to watch the Oval Office Endorsement of Blanche Lincoln played 24/7 on the TV.
I had to watch the interviews with Bill Clinton as he told the Black Districts in East Arkansas to get out and help Blanche Lincoln, because she was helpful to the working people & poor in Arkansas.
and it wasn't very pretty.
[font size=3]We did EVERYTHING right in Arkansas in 2010.
We did EXACTLY what the White House asked us to do to "give the President Progressives in Congress that would work with him."[/font]
We organized and supported Lt Governor Bill Halter, the Pro-LABOR/ Pro-Health Care challenger to DINO Obstructionist Blanche Lincoln.
Halter was:
* Polling BETTER against the Republicans in the General,
*was popular in Arkansas in his OWN right,
*had an Up & Running Political machine,
* had a track record of winning elections (Lt. Governor)
*Had the full backing of Organized LABOR and The Grass Roots activists
*was handing Blanche her Anti-LABOR ass in The Primary until the White House stepped in
*Blanche had NO chance of winning the General in Arkansas
Guess what happened.
Our BIGGEST enemy to bring "change" to The Senate was NOT The "Obstructionist" Republicans.
NO!
Our BIGGEST enemy to bring "change" to The Senate was The Obama White House!
The White House stepped in at the last minute to save Blanche's failing primary campaign with an Oval Office Endorsement of The Witch that Wrecked the Obama Agenda,
and Bill Clinton was dispatched on a Campaign Tour for Blanche around the state bashing Organized LABOR and "Liberals" at every opportunity.
White House steps in to rescue Lincolns Primary Campaign in Arkansas
* Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure.
*Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests.
*The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just dont have the votes for.
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What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face.
Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
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http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
When the supporters of Pro-LABOR Lt Gov Bill Halter asked the White House WHY they threw their support behind Lincoln at the last minute, rescuing her failing campaign, the answer was ridicule and insults to Organized LABOR and the Grass Roots.
Ed Schultz sums up my feeling perfectly in the following clip.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/ed-schultz-if-it-wasnt-labor-barack-obama-
Union Thugs take an ass whipping from time to time,
but we NEVER forget a Sucker Punch & WHO Threw it.[/font]
We have never gotten an explanation from the White House for WHY they saved DINO Lincoln, only ridicule and taunts, enthusiastically mimicked by those who blindly follow.
Walking away from that Primary, I heard many Pro-LABOR loyal Democratic Activists say,
"Looks like the White House would rather give that seat to a Big Business Republican than let a Pro-LABOR Democrat have a chance at it."
I found it difficult to argue with that conclusion.
Perhaps YOU can explain it to me?
The Lincoln Primary was a powerful EXAMPLE used to illustrate the point that Presidents have ENORMOUS power to pressure the members of their OWN Party .
I have never found the argument that Obama is a Weak & Ineffective President to be very helpful, and he has demonstrated that he is NOT weak & ineffective,
when he really wants something.
Why do you and so many here keep insisting that he is weak & ineffective, and can't control his own caucus?
Is it naivete?
Is it youth?
Is it inexperience?
Have you never watched a President get what he wants?
You should study LBJ.....or George W Bush.
Bush-the-Lesser NEVER had 60 votes in the Senate, and yet got almost everything he wanted.
Here is a link that explains "Strawman".
If you go study it, you can avoid future public embarrassment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
No Charge.