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Nuclear Unicorn

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19. "How would you like it if your wages and benefits were subject to the whims of public opinion?"

Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:13 PM

Oct 2013

Um. In the private sector business world "public opinion" is called "customer satisfaction" and you'll be left to starve in the streets if you antagonize your customers or your competitors provide better.

If we the people have a public service we have instituted it with our laws with our government. We don't do things because we think its a neat idea. Public employees have no right to take our taxes and deny us the services we institute for ourselves. No person working in government has a right to their job. The people are the sole and final arbiter of what government can and cannot do, not the other way around. If it were a pubic safety issue the lot of them should be sacked.

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A Democrat who's pushing to outlaw transit strikes [View all] marmar Oct 2013 OP

He's going after the Reagan votes Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #1

If you want to get people out of their cars and on to mass transit, it has to be reliable. FarCenter Oct 2013 #2

Workers also need a living wage nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #8

Fuck that, not having the right to organize and bargain gopiscrap Oct 2013 #3

who's denying them the right to organize and bargain? brooklynite Oct 2013 #5

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Actually, strikes are largely a relic of the past. Xithras Oct 2013 #46

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As I said... Xithras Oct 2013 #50

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Well, this IS California, not Wisconsin. Xithras Oct 2013 #52

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San Diego isn't exactly a bellweather for the rest of the state. Xithras Oct 2013 #54

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pithy nonsense, there is no way at all that labor can hold payments as described TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #65

How do you bargain without leverage? How do you gain any leverage without being able to strike? Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #11

Public opinion and political clout brooklynite Oct 2013 #14

Yes, I would support them going on strike. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #15

How would you like it if your wages and benefits were subject to the whims of public opinion? Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #17

"How would you like it if your wages and benefits were subject to the whims of public opinion?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #19

They are workers just like I am and I support them if they go on strike. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #21

Many unions are prohibited from striking and they still manage to negotiate. brooklynite Oct 2013 #23

See post #13 Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #25

My comments were not about private sector unions. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #29

If "the people" actually set the wages, that might be a good argument. jeff47 Oct 2013 #33

I'm with you on the admin vs. teachers issue. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #40

You seem to be confusing politicians with transit workers. jeff47 Oct 2013 #41

They have been for decades... brooklynite Oct 2013 #22

Management doesn't want workers to be able to strike. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #24

You do know that is a false comparison since FF have a no strike clause nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #20

I do indeed... brooklynite Oct 2013 #26

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Actually, no it wasn't brooklynite Oct 2013 #31

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Ah, the slippery slope... brooklynite Oct 2013 #48

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It boils down to what is reasonable seveneyes Oct 2013 #4

Labor is not being unreasonable to demand living wages nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #7

Of course not seveneyes Oct 2013 #9

That is a media generated meme nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #10

Thank, will put some serious analysis nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #12

A Democrat hoping to implement Scott Walkers Koch funded agenda in California. Skeeter Barnes Oct 2013 #13

We have a fair amount of union-busting DINOs out here KamaAina Oct 2013 #16

Union busting -- it's not just for asshole Republicans anymore! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #18

Nope. It's for asshole Democrats, too. FiveGoodMen Oct 2013 #35

As one who's had to put up with transit strikes in NYC,... badtoworse Oct 2013 #27

Because I really want my driver to be making minimum wage. jeff47 Oct 2013 #34

these people aren't really into looking at the big picture.. frylock Oct 2013 #38

classic reddread Oct 2013 #42

A NYC Bus Driver makes at least $30 per hour plus full benefits badtoworse Oct 2013 #43

And they got that way through magic and pixie dust. jeff47 Oct 2013 #44

That's arguable badtoworse Oct 2013 #45

He's a DINO. The right to collective bargaining and the right to strike must NOT kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #28

This is why we should not automatically be voting for anyone with a D after their name. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #36

I expected this thread to be about Rahm Emanuel Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #37

Jerry Brown Democrats reddread Oct 2013 #39

I still think Quan should have been a keynote speaker at the DNC Fumesucker Oct 2013 #63

I was moved by her involvement, ala Brown reddread Oct 2013 #66

Public employee unions that strike are shitting in their own food dishes tularetom Oct 2013 #56

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Apples and oranges tularetom Oct 2013 #60

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i hope he gets his ass handed to him. nt xchrom Oct 2013 #57

the bay Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #67

Give him a break he's from upper middle class Orinda and Jerry's dog walker. mulsh Oct 2013 #59

Steve Glazer has got to go. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #62

So he's following FDR's lead? joshcryer Oct 2013 #64