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79. I agree with Greenwald's overall point, but you're right about Feinstein.

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Greenwald: Feinstein and Pelosi defend NSA because "there is a Democrat in the White House" [View all] Shampoyeto Oct 2013 OP

My problem with Feinstein in particular Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #1

Oh come on DJ13 Oct 2013 #3

Pelosi for certain is doing this for partisan reasons. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #138

I'm not so sure about that. Autumn Oct 2013 #2

So he reads minds now as well. Egnever Oct 2013 #4

Psychic? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #6

The second thing. randome Oct 2013 #10

Who? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #92

Greenwald is more psycho than psychic. randome Oct 2013 #93

It brings back memories of the old sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #96

Well, I don't do 'frustrated'. Thought you could see that by now. randome Oct 2013 #97

You seem very frustrated to me. Name calling always demonstrates sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #102

It was Obama who put in a lot more restrictions and protections once he took office. randome Oct 2013 #112

Maybe you should start expanding your sources then. China, eg, sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #164

How often has China hacked into our systems? randome Oct 2013 #170

What took you so long? radiclib Oct 2013 #25

And Nancy Pelosi will be SOTH in 2015... while Glenny Boy will be looking for a job BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #5

"Glenny Boy" ? bvar22 Oct 2013 #23

I don't believe in blessings, but thanks! BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #29

You know that phrase... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #40

I'm aware. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #42

With Bluegrass in your name... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #116

Not always sometimes it means sincere sympathy, when someone gets hurt, or is suffering Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #130

Yeah, it is all about inflection... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #142

What is it that is the beautiful thing about America? cui bono Oct 2013 #88

Bush supporters said that about 'Glenny Boy' back in 2006 when he sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #95

You keep on mistakenly refer to Greenwald as a liberal blogger. You are so wrong it's pitiful. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #135

Yep. Here is a list that proves he is right wing... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #136

LOL. Nice cherrypicking. KittyWampus Oct 2013 #139

LOL. Intelligent rebuttal. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #163

Thank you. Greenwald was a hero of the Left during the Bush years, sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #162

An Iraq war supporting hero to the left?! Nope, he can talk all the shit now about NOT supporting... uponit7771 Oct 2013 #175

Oh please LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #185

Yes, REALLY easy to "reverse" himself after Fit hits the Shan... He lost benefit of the doubt then.. uponit7771 Oct 2013 #186

Boo hoo, he's criticizing your hero LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #188

Fuck your wingerish "hero" bullshit, could care less about criticism care more about the truth and.. uponit7771 Oct 2013 #196

You continue with your childish LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #202

Wingers reality "Boo Hoo" = adult but calling you on your wingerish shit = childish. Whatever uponit7771 Oct 2013 #203

Ah, I wondered when someone would bring up that smear again. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #209

Did you support the Bush 'agenda' then when Greenwald was sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #161

lol isn't Glenny boy launching a huge venture? LittleBlue Oct 2013 #103

The beautiful thing is that Pierre isn't the only one investing in news. jtuck004 Oct 2013 #105

your use of the diminutive as pejorative is telling bobduca Oct 2013 #157

So Greenwald is shocked to see something like party loyalty? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #7

Trying to find that part of the article where he expresses shock. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #11

ok, not "shock"; he said "...my biggest problem..." Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #12

same as the biggest problem here..those who support massive surveillance and bash greenwald xiamiam Oct 2013 #17

Luckily I'm nuanced enough that I can bash Greenwald AND the NSA Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #21

His biggest problem is with "the Democrats, like Feinstein and Pelosi" Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #18

I get what you're saying Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #20

No his is saying his biggest problem in regards to Democrats... in regards to bi-partisanship. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #67

Which of course leads to the interesting question of Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #74

Who is in power again? Whose DOJ defends the NSA? Which admin is wrting the secret laws Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #77

So what is the plan? What is the endgame for correcting all this? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #108

On Oct. 26, join us for a rally against mass surveillance in WA DC, and around the country. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #111

done and done Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #114

Thank you for that dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #127

My proposal has been posted dozens of times Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #128

'Why wouldn't he hate the GOP for going along with it'???? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #99

Did you just say the whole GOP went "along with it?" Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #210

NSA largess? hootinholler Oct 2013 #19

I've always maintained that congress is reluctant to take any real action Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #22

Our infrascture is crumbling... paved roads are being turned into gravel... bridges are barely Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #75

Yes please. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #89

Agreed Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #100

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #126

Half of the people can be hired to spy on the other half dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #125

Would you say NSA critic Ron Wyden is disloyal to the party? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #84

I would just say that I'm not surprised party members stick up for one another Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #101

Those are repubs. We expect herd behavior from them. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #182

And the reason a 'journalist' like Greenwald cares is because there's 'Libertarian-isms' to do! randome Oct 2013 #8

Please just stop with the libertarian smear. Maedhros Oct 2013 #52

That sounds about right Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #9

i see the "forget the 4th amendment crew" is here questionseverything Oct 2013 #13

You mean the '4th Amendment does not apply to the world' crew. randome Oct 2013 #15

Well then if the 4th amendment does not apply to the world zeemike Oct 2013 #39

You're implying that America dictates to the rest of the world. randome Oct 2013 #46

No I am not implying anything. zeemike Oct 2013 #55

Very well said. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #76

Saudi Arabia, for one, might disagree that our Bill of Rights applies to them. randome Oct 2013 #91

" And while we cannot control the world and make laws for them, we can treat them just as Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #104

I never suggested we force our laws on the world. zeemike Oct 2013 #131

I can't really argue with that. randome Oct 2013 #147

Then it is our problem not theirs. zeemike Oct 2013 #155

Our government is always constrained by the Constitution though. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #191

Let me help you out with that. randome Oct 2013 #201

Winner! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #14

some of the comments are embarassing for a democratic site xiamiam Oct 2013 #16

^^^This^^^ bvar22 Oct 2013 #27

It's impossible for them xiamiam. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #37

The Democratic Party, and especially its charismatic leader, are their security blanket. Maedhros Oct 2013 #56

That it is. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #24

Ah personal attacks always make this site nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #31

It's always been okay to personally attack non-DUers in positions pnwmom Oct 2013 #44

As I said, it makes this place so enjoyable nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #45

I voted to hide and explained my disagreement with your argument. Jim Lane Oct 2013 #180

stupidest fucking post of the day right here frylock Oct 2013 #58

I heard they took away Johnny Depp's citizensship away, too. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #78

Yeah, fucking ex-pats, amirite? NuclearDem Oct 2013 #123

fuck this guy warrior1 Oct 2013 #26

Gee. Ya' think? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #28

she would not be publicly defending the program questionseverything Oct 2013 #35

No doubt. But, she wouldn't be so outspoken in defense of the spying. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #54

Nor would she have been trying to convince everyone to bomb Syria. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #143

Fuck Greenwald...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #30

That's BS from Greenwald - both voted for Patriot Act and he supported it, too. blm Oct 2013 #32

Um...Greenwald was a scathing critic of the Bush Administration and of the Patriot Act. Maedhros Oct 2013 #60

He supported it during the early Bush Admin AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #73

I love how poeple make things up on DU. You do know that he was talking specifically about the Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #80

It's in his own words for crissakes. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #98

No it isn't. He was referring specifically to the invasion of Iraq. You imaganined that Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #107

the Iraq War came after the Patriot Act AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #113

You have no idea if he opposed it because he doesn't address it. He is specifically addressing Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #115

If he opposed it before the Iraq War, AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #120

He wasn't writing then. He started his blog in 2005. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #121

He wasn't INSPIRED to write down his protests of Bush before 2005? LOL blm Oct 2013 #167

AMEN!! The logic pretzel people put themselves into while supporting GG is gob smacking uponit7771 Oct 2013 #177

How can someone write about something when they weren't writing? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #197

That's not what I said. If Patriot Act and assorted other abuses blm Oct 2013 #204

He started writing his book "How Would A Patriot Act" in 2005. The same year that Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #205

You keep missing my point - he wasn't inspired to jump in publicly blm Oct 2013 #207

Your point keeps shifting. I know enough about this nation's history of Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #208

The 1st Netroots meeting was in 2006. In 2005 Greenwald had already written an entire Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #195

WOW. That's so weak. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #181

Explain to me how the man could have written something when he wasn't writing. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #198

Patriot Act was all about National Security, Lumi. blm Oct 2013 #168

So? NuclearDem Oct 2013 #122

I agree with your point. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #129

But you will vote for her if whe wins the primary. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #134

No. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #146

Little doubt that Greenwald would, either. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #165

As noted repeatedly elsewhere, this passage refers to the invasion of Iraq Maedhros Oct 2013 #119

I'm a big fan of the ability to change one's mind. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #133

Point being that he's attacking on NSA policies that he supported for a number of years blm Oct 2013 #169

You appear confused. Maedhros Oct 2013 #171

That's your turnip truck version. I'm well aware of his 'journey' Mae. blm Oct 2013 #174

I've been reading his columns since he began writing them. Maedhros Oct 2013 #178

Baloney, Mae. I even tried to get info to Greenwald on some media matters blm Oct 2013 #183

Early on he supported Bush. Cut the revisionism. Turnip truck rides aren't my thing. blm Oct 2013 #166

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are arguing in good faith. Maedhros Oct 2013 #173

I read it when it came out. I had hopes for Greenwald, then other aspects of his blm Oct 2013 #176

"Other aspects of his character." Maedhros Oct 2013 #179

Obama was president in 2006? Apparently, you know nothing about me, Mae. blm Oct 2013 #184

Of course, my analysis of your motives is indeed speculative. Maedhros Oct 2013 #189

Your assumption is, indeed, incorrect. I don't coordinate with anyone and... blm Oct 2013 #200

The fact that he's singling out our Democratic women is very telling. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #33

That's nonsense. NOVA_Dem Oct 2013 #36

Or it could be that Pelosi is the most powerful Democrat in the House NuclearDem Oct 2013 #43

but that would make entirely too much sense frylock Oct 2013 #61

It's so much more satisfying to abuse the sexist card NuclearDem Oct 2013 #94

And when women sell us out America is sold out. zeemike Oct 2013 #47

"If women want equal treatment." BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #48

"He is singling out our Democratic women" zeemike Oct 2013 #64

I think you owe women an apology. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #66

Well I think you owe Greenwald an apology zeemike Oct 2013 #71

distractions like this are foolish questionseverything Oct 2013 #72

If she doesn't want to be challenged on her support of spying she shouldn't support it. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #57

it's unfortunate that neither of them is black so that you could accuse him of racism as well frylock Oct 2013 #59

His pro bono defense of a white supremacist threatening to kill a federal judge does that. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #65

keep fucking that chicken frylock Oct 2013 #69

I will. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #70

Jury results: Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #144

i post this quite a bit and usually with the same results.. frylock Oct 2013 #149

He didn't defend him in the criminal trial. He defended him in the 1st Amendment trial. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #83

No decent person could defend someone accused of a crime DefenseLawyer Oct 2013 #110

Both powerful leaders in their respective houses. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #81

They are backbenchers right? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #82

That is even more absurd and transparent than your other posts in this thread. bvar22 Oct 2013 #87

As is your avatar glorifying a domestic terrorist. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #117

How is a critic in a comic book form nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #124

less than tenuous grasp upon reality it appears reddread Oct 2013 #159

Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #160

...oooooh, dear. sibelian Oct 2013 #193

Women are a big REason Republicans are doing horribly , look at the Virginia Gov Race JI7 Oct 2013 #90

Wow that was pathetic dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #132

He must hate women! bobduca Oct 2013 #156

This MUST be performance art LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #187

OK, you're a waste of space. sibelian Oct 2013 #194

Damn right. ancianita Nov 2013 #211

Greenwald is correct - the national security state is totally bipartisan. polichick Oct 2013 #34

He could have said the exact same thing for many of the posters at DU. last1standing Oct 2013 #41

Well said Oilwellian Oct 2013 #192

Feinstein has always gone along with NSA even while Bush was president ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #49

Greenwald is still spreading disinformation on this. stevenleser Oct 2013 #50

Your opinions are noted. Maedhros Oct 2013 #63

The fact is that Greenwald has never addressed the history and appellate decisions that frame this stevenleser Oct 2013 #68

Greenwald's point is that the surveillance state is destructive to democracy. Maedhros Oct 2013 #85

150 years ago, Steve would have defended slavery because judicial precedence. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #109

An absolutely disgusting post to make to person of color. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #148

Boo fucking hoo. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #150

Care to expand on your brilliant reply? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #151

I could add an extra "fucking" or two but that would be silly. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #152

I think you are a bright, shining light to your profession. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #153

True that. I am an excellent cat wrangler. 9 out of 10 cats agree. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #154

I read the posts in your links in full. Maedhros Oct 2013 #118

Greenwald has no arguments, he has no court citations, he has nothing. stevenleser Oct 2013 #199

Thanks for your concern, RW Libertarian hack/scammer. tridim Oct 2013 #51

I wish more "RW" wrote multiple anti-W Bush books Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #86

He's wrong about Feinstein. JoeyT Oct 2013 #53

I agree with Greenwald's overall point, but you're right about Feinstein. deurbano Oct 2013 #79

No shit. In similarly surprising news, my dog's breath smells like dog food. n/t hughee99 Oct 2013 #62

how`s the weather in brazil greenwald? madrchsod Oct 2013 #106

the juvenile is strong in this thread, young Skywalker.... mike_c Oct 2013 #137

Just look at the corporate propaganda swarm on this thread. woo me with science Oct 2013 #140

Huge K&R. Important thread. woo me with science Oct 2013 #141

And another kick. bvar22 Oct 2013 #145

Feinstein Manor festooned with code pink banners! bobduca Oct 2013 #158

Captain Obvious. L0oniX Oct 2013 #172

DiFi would be down if Stalin, Mao, Khan, or Attila was in the White House. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #190

yep. pretty obvious. bowens43 Oct 2013 #206