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Lizzie Poppet

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23. I have no problem with this.

Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:56 PM

Oct 2013

Barring grave mental illness (which may have been present and which would massively effect the legal and ethical determination, if demonstrated), the circumstances of this murder indicate an awareness on the part of the killer of it's wrongness (hiding the body being one of the more decisive indicators). The large majority of 14-year-olds have a very well developed sense of right and wrong...it's not as if this was some little kid with no real sense of the ramifications of what he was doing.

This is a crime with enormous ramifications (as are all homicides), not some "youthful indiscretion." Trying the suspect as a juvenile would mean that if convicted, he could be free in just a handful of years, at 18. I find the mere thought of such an outcome nauseating.

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Box cutter used to kill teacher [View all] graywarrior Oct 2013 OP

While I can't bring myself to read this story in detail, closeupready Oct 2013 #1

He had just moved to the area after living in Tennessee and Florida graywarrior Oct 2013 #3

He was. He often sat in the back, was no trouble, took notes, sometimes drew, and MADem Oct 2013 #6

No shit, huh? graywarrior Oct 2013 #20

Damn right! MADem Oct 2013 #22

Ha ha, kids smoke and drink on premises in many schools these days in the underfunded cities. bettyellen Oct 2013 #39

Danvers--though once known for its insane asylum--is a fairly well off suburban community. MADem Oct 2013 #45

There was a recent murder at the former Danvers Mental Institute now ritzy apartments & condos graywarrior Oct 2013 #60

Yeah, someone started a huge fire and burnt part of the site down a few years back MADem Oct 2013 #68

I used to teach art therapy to the criminally insane in the 70s up there. graywarrior Oct 2013 #70

Cue the DARK SHADOWS theme!!!! nt MADem Oct 2013 #71

Quentin! graywarrior Oct 2013 #72

One of my siblings was entranced by that show!! Barnabas Collins...and Quentin as well!!! MADem Oct 2013 #82

I worked there as well lordsummerisle Oct 2013 #105

Wow, amazing! graywarrior Oct 2013 #106

No way! I was held there during most of the 80s! MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #107

Are you kidding about lordsummerisle Oct 2013 #108

I was trying to make a joke about MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #109

gosh , suburbia is like another world. most public city schools are nothing like that. bettyellen Oct 2013 #85

Weapons aren't a big deal in MA. Yes, there are shootings, but it's not like other parts of the MADem Oct 2013 #87

one friend teaches english in NYC- never a single textbook for the kids, and classrooms break the bettyellen Oct 2013 #88

I've seen instances of teachers not caring about potential 'problem students' Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #31

I used to daydream, sneak reading and write stories in class Chemisse Oct 2013 #58

Most kids who use headphones use them to concentrate on their work. knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #74

Yeah, nothing like a droning non-lyrical techno piece to close you in. joshcryer Oct 2013 #89

Droning, non-lyrical instructors are pretty damn effective at that too.. Fumesucker Oct 2013 #93

At keeping you from wanting to do the work. joshcryer Oct 2013 #94

Apparently she asked him to stay after school TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #7

Bad idea for a high school teacher to ever be alone with a student. FarCenter Oct 2013 #17

i think it's very common for high school teachers to be alone with students at school to help JI7 Oct 2013 #24

For personal safety, and to eliminate questions of impropriety, it shouldn't happen FarCenter Oct 2013 #41

it's something that has been happening for decades with no problems, but i can see things changing JI7 Oct 2013 #42

Formerly, schools would expell students who were trouble. FarCenter Oct 2013 #44

We still do. knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #76

That's often not possible. knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #75

Good God, it happens all the time Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #28

It happens daily. Chemisse Oct 2013 #59

Exactly. Self-fulfilling prophecy. knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #77

He was a student in her class. He followed her into the bathroom and killed her. MADem Oct 2013 #10

Wow. That definitely sounds like some kind of mental illness. closeupready Oct 2013 #14

I used to substitute teach in Lynn graywarrior Oct 2013 #21

City of sin!!!!! MADem Oct 2013 #26

LMAO! I remember that! graywarrior Oct 2013 #34

Re-veeee-ah!!!! MADem Oct 2013 #36

Of course! graywarrior Oct 2013 #37

How cruel!!! How hilarious!!! MADem Oct 2013 #49

Absolutely! graywarrior Oct 2013 #61

omfg ..... LOLOLOLOLOL Marrah_G Oct 2013 #55

Southis are original, thats for sure graywarrior Oct 2013 #62

No kidding! RiffRandell Oct 2013 #67

I hate you. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #86

You're worth it, MannyGoldstein! graywarrior Oct 2013 #101

I can only imagiine being that close to it. It's just so heartbreakingly Cha Oct 2013 #90

The horror that poor girl had to face. It must have been so frightening. graywarrior Oct 2013 #100

I'll reiterate: Aren't security cameras for surveillance IN REAL TIME ? As in, preventative or at WinkyDink Oct 2013 #63

Reiterate? When did you say that to me initially? MADem Oct 2013 #65

Heh. Not to you; it was anyone who read my remark in another thread. But I'm sorry; schools ( where WinkyDink Oct 2013 #102

Phew! I thought I was having lapses of some sort!!! MADem Oct 2013 #103

That is such a bizarre case to me. ananda Oct 2013 #2

Especially since he went to a movie and a fast food place to eat right after graywarrior Oct 2013 #5

Wow. ananda Oct 2013 #8

Extreme mental illness? Thrill killing? Psychopathic conduct? MADem Oct 2013 #13

Extrapolating, I'm seeing a poorly-educated kid bouncing around the South and then MA. Frustrated WinkyDink Oct 2013 #64

What an horrific crime. He killed her, dumped her in the woods, stole her credit card MADem Oct 2013 #4

So. ananda Oct 2013 #9

These things rarely happen out of the blue Warpy Oct 2013 #11

They aren't saying, but they are trying him as an adult. nt MADem Oct 2013 #15

So ieoeja Oct 2013 #25

What's an adult, though? In MA, you can vote at 18, but you can't buy alcohol. MADem Oct 2013 #33

Under Massachusetts law - LiberalElite Oct 2013 #78

And there ya go. We don't have the death penalty up this way. nt MADem Oct 2013 #81

14 is a little young for the onset of schizophrenia theHandpuppet Oct 2013 #96

Yes, it would be "early onset." His schoolmates observed a distinct personality change MADem Oct 2013 #104

I hate "tried as an adult". MindPilot Oct 2013 #16

Whatever it is, it's the "know better" element being applied. MADem Oct 2013 #19

Several years in prison likely won't do much either. MindPilot Oct 2013 #29

I'm guessing he will never see "prison" but he will be locked in a secure psych facility. MADem Oct 2013 #35

Sure, yeah, he should go free. I'm a big fan of murdering young women and admire the people who do. MindPilot Oct 2013 #38

I think the middle ground, at least right now, is called "secure psychiatric facility." MADem Oct 2013 #50

I have no problem with this. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2013 #23

But under the law if he isn't tried as an adult Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #30

Fine. He only gets four years for brutal murder. alphafemale Oct 2013 #56

Thank you for telling me what I think. MindPilot Oct 2013 #98

She was only 24 years old--very sad. WI_DEM Oct 2013 #12

Why am I reminded of Breaking Bad just now? Initech Oct 2013 #18

This story is so damn sad Marrah_G Oct 2013 #27

Wow...she was exactly my age. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #32

How horrible that we live in a country Here Oct 2013 #40

well that was both stupid and callous. congrats on that cali Oct 2013 #43

So... Here Oct 2013 #46

I said what I think. cali Oct 2013 #47

That's nice Here Oct 2013 #48

Don't play the "disingenuous" card. Homeys don't play that game here. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #66

or to the Internet NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #51

I hope you are just passing through town JoePhilly Oct 2013 #54

RIP. I wonder if he murdered before? ecstatic Oct 2013 #52

my reaction: lock him up and thaway the key Rene Oct 2013 #53

�Totally faded out�: Classmates, former coach describe alleged killer Philip Chism FarCenter Oct 2013 #57

Something happened. Kids don't just do that for no reason. knitter4democracy Oct 2013 #80

Former high school history teacher here elfin Oct 2013 #69

A crush? She could not handle? I think your thesis is not borne out by facts. MADem Oct 2013 #83

The person you were responding to was musing about possible JanMichael Oct 2013 #91

I'm talking about the kind of mental illness where people hear voices, not MADem Oct 2013 #92

Where in the world did you get JanMichael Oct 2013 #99

Wonder if he got the idea from Breaking Bad Spirochete Oct 2013 #73

Maybe it occurred to him because it was a very sharp blade Orrex Oct 2013 #84

I was going to read the thread--- snooper2 Oct 2013 #79

I'm glad he's being tried as an adult. LittleBlue Oct 2013 #95

teachers should get combat pay. B Calm Oct 2013 #97