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WinniSkipper

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172. Trying to explain a wrong point repeatedly doesn't all of a sudden make it correct

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 02:51 PM

Mar 2012

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Look at it this way. Try it with these hypothetical numbers.

Local homeschool parents in one district - 10. Normal public school parents 100. Each pays $1,000 in local taxes and (for arguments sake) $1,000 of their state taxes got to the education fund - like every other individual who pays taxes.

So - local districts and the state each have $110,000 from the taxpayers. What you are saying is that schools are ONLY receiving the $100,000 in local and $100,000 in state funds - and $10,000 in local funds and $10,000 in state funds are being illegally diverted from schools. That's what you have to be saying because if schools are getting $110,000 local and state - your argument falls apart. So it must be that your legislators are doing something nefarious.

Either way - that is not the issue or the responsibility of homeschoolers.

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(Virginia) Senate panel kills 'Tebow bill' - homeschoolers NOT allowed on public school sports teams [View all] underpants Mar 2012 OP

Interesting. It's law in Florida. Keystone Writer Mar 2012 #1

No Pass No Play Rule apply to homeschoolers? kemah Mar 2012 #64

I don't know the specifics. Keystone Writer Mar 2012 #66

So it would seem that the Rio Grande Valley makes allowances for public school kids cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #89

Many are not "graded by mommy" karynnj Mar 2012 #158

I say Good! Sorry home schoolers...but if parents think public school is Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #2

In Delaware, private school kids were allowed to try out and play for team sports Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #8

It really isn't a question of what the kids deserve... ljm2002 Mar 2012 #52

"What they espouse" varies. A lot. Igel Mar 2012 #86

Of course there are different reasons for home schooling... ljm2002 Mar 2012 #99

i'm Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #65

Oh yes, it is sarcasm! Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #76

thanks- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #82

It's not as if private schools would allow a Ilsa Mar 2012 #141

Actually, The French American School (a very expensive private school in San Francisco) Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #145

In many areas, the homeschooled student, if sufficiently smart, can take language courses karynnj Mar 2012 #161

100% correct malaise Mar 2012 #27

I Agree with You....You Can't Have It Both Ways we can do it Mar 2012 #33

You do realize that you are punishing the kids who may have had no choice. karynnj Mar 2012 #159

Good. Let the Freaks Stay at Home and Play In Their Safe Yards we can do it Mar 2012 #3

Elizabeth Edwards homeschooled mzmolly Mar 2012 #6

And so what if the issue is safety? Tons of kids face harm in school and going to school. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9

Yes. I home schooled and fortunately, the San Francisco school district has Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #14

Best. Idea. Ever. Zalatix Mar 2012 #23

Yes. It's pretty cool. Access to libraries. Access to administration. Access to home study with... Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #25

Agree on the issue of safety being a valid concern and the fact that homeschooling is not just for mzmolly Mar 2012 #18

I Don't Care Who Does It (my brother's kid's were for a while). Stay at Home, Play at Home we can do it Mar 2012 #32

Amen proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #34

IIRC, you are not fond of NCLB? mzmolly Mar 2012 #38

That's fine proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #42

Not necessarilly. mzmolly Mar 2012 #48

You advocate a mafia approach MattBaggins Mar 2012 #132

Absurd. mzmolly Mar 2012 #152

But if they want to take an AP class? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #135

It's not a matter of school not being "good enough". It's a matter of children not all fitting mzmolly Mar 2012 #37

+1 Raine1967 Mar 2012 #57

So my daughter is a freak? Yeah...DU used to be a progressive big tent place... (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #12

Apparently, so is mine. Thankfully, the San Francisco school district Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #15

Apparently so. mzmolly Mar 2012 #39

Well, that was bigoted... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #28

I guess a lot of people would call John Holt a right-wing nut bag Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #111

The kids are freaks because their parents home school them? Incitatus Mar 2012 #122

good decision firehorse Mar 2012 #4

Too bad... JSnuffy Mar 2012 #5

sorry, public taxation funds are not a buffet ibegurpard Mar 2012 #7

Yeah. Screw those kids for the choices their parents made. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #10

Bravo! mzmolly Mar 2012 #41

+1 Incitatus Mar 2012 #123

+1 rucky Mar 2012 #130

No health care for illegals either (and other benefits). good call (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2012 #13

No, see, you have it wrong... Neue Regel Mar 2012 #148

Because everything exists in a vacuum, right? sadbear Mar 2012 #149

No Neue Regel Mar 2012 #150

So let me see if I have this right... I can pay for the buffet, but can't eat there because I chose cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #19

Devil's advocating: Isn't it elitist to take only the good and leave all the bad? sadbear Mar 2012 #20

So, the only good thing about public education mzmolly Mar 2012 #40

That's subjective. sadbear Mar 2012 #45

That's not the impression I get mzmolly Mar 2012 #49

Again, they're still picking a choosing sadbear Mar 2012 #55

So what. mzmolly Mar 2012 #119

Nope, it's the same as if they went to a parochial school. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #16

I agree. When our kids had an unexcused absence from school, phylny Mar 2012 #30

ding! ding! ding! winner! NuttyFluffers Mar 2012 #35

you know, that is a really catchy slogan... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #44

And don't let them see any guidance couselors either. Let them deal with their own problems. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #11

Let them get guidance from a stick in their own yard. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #17

If they're paying state taxes that go to public schools, alongside home schooling... JNathanK Mar 2012 #21

If the kid doesn't go to the school, how can it be logical that they get to play on the school team? MNBrewer Mar 2012 #24

Financing for schools is based on attendance underpants Mar 2012 #26

Home school parents still pay taxes that go to the school though. JNathanK Mar 2012 #121

So... underpants Mar 2012 #126

I Pay Taxes Too ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #131

That actually doesn't sound all that fair treestar Mar 2012 #137

I pay school taxes. Can I play on the football team too? dmallind Mar 2012 #138

So if the homeschooler plays on my kid's school's soccer team, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #22

Did your tax dollars help pay for the pool in the homeschooler's back yard? Didn't think so. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #43

So they test her once a year--how is that the same as earning a grade? SunSeeker Mar 2012 #47

I guess you've never heard of athletes getting good grades they didn't deserve... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #83

You really believe "Grades really don't mean shit"?! Wow. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #112

If success on the yearly test shows they've accumulated the same knowledge, I don't see the issue. JNathanK Mar 2012 #120

Talk about needing to learn a thing or two . . . proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #58

Thanks for the link. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #61

Yes it's the same proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #62

Wow, that is scary. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #69

Yes that's the proposal proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #105

Wow obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #127

That's pretty wild. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #88

Does that mean my daughter can go to one public school but play sports for a DIFFERENT ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #81

what makes you think that a home-schooled kid Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #84

Wrong ... Where I live, Wake County NC, I have the choice of three high schools. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #91

then home schooled kids would only have the same options as yours. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #97

Actually no ... they do NOT have the same options. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #101

if a home schooled child opted to participate in sports in one of your schools, Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #108

Nice try ... But you make no sense. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #110

I'm not arguing against your child having Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #113

I did not say the work we do at home has no impact on her grades. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #116

it doesn't seem like Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #117

Excellent series of posts in this subthread obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #128

"...that's what a local home schooled kid would be able to do." cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #85

I live in Wake County NC ... I have the choice of 3 high schools. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #92

Well if you do, so does everyone else I guess, right? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #93

But my daughter will have to pick a school to attend and then also PLAY on their team. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #94

As it should be. Your daughter SHOULD play for the school she attends. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #95

The HS kid gets to select a different ACADEMIC path ... but my daughter does not. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #96

Oh... you're anti-home schooling. I see now. It's only about THAT. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author JoePhilly Mar 2012 #102

No, I am not anti-home schooling. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #103

Oh damn. I sincerely apologize. I read some other posts that were anti and I thought they were cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #106

NP ... JoePhilly Mar 2012 #109

Oops. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #107

Could daughter join a private sports league? alp227 Mar 2012 #154

wow... talk about prejudice- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #59

Disagreeing with you is not prejudice. Homeschoolers cost schools money. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #60

where do you think the funding comes from for schools? Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #63

Each homeschooler in my area costs my school $7,200 per year. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #67

where do you think the reimbursement comes from? Not from you alone- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #68

Homeschoolers need to change the law so a school is reimbursed for the benefits it provides them. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #72

I fear that this debate could be used to allow home schoolers to opt out of funding public school JNathanK Mar 2012 #124

What does your link have to do with this? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #79

If the homeschooler had attended that school, it would get $7,200 per year. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #155

So where do the parents taxes go? WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #162

It depends on your state. Usually it goes into a general fund, to be allocated to state services, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #170

Trying to explain a wrong point repeatedly doesn't all of a sudden make it correct WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #172

I'm not wrong. Schools are funded based on attendance, not what the parents pay in taxes. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #175

I do realize that it is not a zero sum on the state level WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #176

Welcome to DU. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #177

Thanks SunSeeker WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #178

....and for your convenience WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #173

Homeschooling is the functional equivalent of an unexcused absence. nt SunSeeker Mar 2012 #174

Hahahahahaha, your humor is so dry, I almost took it seriously. thanks for the big laugh uppityperson Mar 2012 #90

Yeah, I guess I should use more emoticons. ;) nt SunSeeker Mar 2012 #115

Best post of the bunch I've read. alp227 Mar 2012 #153

good obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #29

Dumb move Elric Mar 2012 #31

It's just as well... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #36

#2 is THE reason it's been pushed in so many areas obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #129

kids should go to normal school... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #46

ah, another person completely oblivious to how homeschooling can work n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #50

or how public and private school work! whistler162 Mar 2012 #98

I agree somewhat Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #51

Many places allot tax dollars based on student numbers. Cerridwen Mar 2012 #53

the collective tax base of every taxpayer in the district is less in Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #70

If there are all these homeschooled kids out there - why don't they form their own teams? LynneSin Mar 2012 #54

I'm more offended that they call this the Tebow Bill Raine1967 Mar 2012 #56

I completely agree. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #71

You do have equal access to the school, you just choose not to go there. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #73

no, the students who live in Va. do not- as Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #75

Why should inclusion just be limited to sports; what about pep squad/cheerleading? Fla Dem Mar 2012 #133

actually the school district where I live does Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #143

Parents pay taxes to the school? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #74

yes you should have access to the school- everyone in the community should. Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #77

You should have access if you pay a fee to cover the costs--like you do in NH. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #171

Live and let Live samfarkus Mar 2012 #78

thanks- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #80

+1 JNathanK Mar 2012 #125

I don't think I would ever even consider homeschooling my kids. Saving Hawaii Mar 2012 #87

If a kid wants to be in a sport of a public school, they should be a student of that school. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #104

Seems like there should be some way to compromise Bradical79 Mar 2012 #114

Compromise for what? cynatnite Mar 2012 #118

And if they want to take WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #134

I'm not against the kid going to school for a course or two if necessary... cynatnite Mar 2012 #136

"Consequences to that decision" WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #139

Of course they've got a right to a public school education... cynatnite Mar 2012 #140

And my relatives did a similar solution... WinniSkipper Mar 2012 #146

Yes, reasons can vary - but 83% say they homeschool for religion. dmallind Mar 2012 #142

kind of misleading percentage- among those who Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #144

Misleading? Direct cite. The top reason even in your pick, no? dmallind Mar 2012 #147

no- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #151

Every homeschooler I've known (all 6) were religious fanatics. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #156

well, that is your experience- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #163

So - which reason was higher then? Since when did the top pick from a list need to be GT 50%? dmallind Mar 2012 #165

the person I was addressing claimed that 83% of homeschoolers do so for religious reasons- Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #168

I wish the Tebow bill would have passed karynnj Mar 2012 #157

It is not a "small cost" and it would go unfunded, hurting the school. SunSeeker Mar 2012 #160

At least in NJ, the majority of the money for a school comes from local taxes karynnj Mar 2012 #167

The activities are "free" to the students of the school because by attending, SunSeeker Mar 2012 #169

I support this Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #164

+1 sadbear Mar 2012 #166