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In reply to the discussion: I think the NSA revelations were vital and necessary [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)2. Since I began the OP title stating explicitly that the revelations were vital and necessary
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion --
Do you think we should do away with Whistle Blowers and that Journalists should do what the NYT journos did back during the Bush days, suppress big news stories to protect Governments?
SOME of the NSA's capabilities and operations are legitimate. That's a fact. When this story first broke it was about the NSA's wholesale sweeping-up of Americans private conversations without probable cause. That is a whistle that has to be blown. But it now seems that some of what is being revealed has legitimate purpose.
I am not asking for silence; I'm asking for discretion. Pick and choose what to release and what to leave secret. Yes, sometimes nations -- even the US -- have a right to secrets (otherwise there wouldn't be the flap over Merkie's phone). What they don't have a right to is the privacy of peaceable citizens.
I want the violation of civil liberties to stop. These latest revelations are hurting that effort just as the killing of innocent civilians is counter-productive to ending terrorism.
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Since I began the OP title stating explicitly that the revelations were vital and necessary
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#2
I'm sympathetic to what you're saying. However, I don't understand the context of the dkf link.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#7
When you say they "were" vital, can you give us a date when new revelations stopped being vital?
Shampoyeto
Oct 2013
#15
Right. But which ones were the "earliest" revelations? Does it include July or only June?
Shampoyeto
Oct 2013
#18
I'm not going to enumerate each revelation and discuss their individual minutae
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#19
Does the NSA have to spy on Presidents for economic reasons? Is that a principle you cherish?
Shampoyeto
Oct 2013
#23
I'm not concerned about politicians. My concern is that free people remain as such.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#32
Again, you're arguing as if I oppose all of the revelations. You would be wrong.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#28
I never discussed "how." A fair reading of my every comment would show I only refer to the "what."
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#33
You mean the Brazilian and Mexican President should not have been told they were spied on?
Shampoyeto
Oct 2013
#13